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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1395 on: April 04, 2020, 01:27:22 PM »
Most people are well aware of Jeremy Corbyn's 'links' to terrorist organisations like Hamas/Hezbolla and the IRA.  He has previously referred to the former as 'friends'and later said he regretted it, need we say any more!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/opinion/letters/18139917.letters-jeremy-corbyn-attended-pro-ira-meetings-rallies-making-speeches-supporting-ira/

Old news John....move on.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1396 on: April 04, 2020, 01:40:18 PM »
Thank god he’s history, just an embarrassing footnote, best forgotten.

If only that were true....unfortunately we’ve got five years of him.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1397 on: April 04, 2020, 03:19:44 PM »
Good on ‘ol Keir

He also apologised for anti-semitism in the party, which had brought “grief” to Jewish communities, adding: “I will tear out this poison by its roots and judge success by the return of Jewish members and those who felt they could no longer support us.”
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1398 on: April 04, 2020, 04:32:20 PM »
Good on ‘ol Keir

He also apologised for anti-semitism in the party, which had brought “grief” to Jewish communities, adding: “I will tear out this poison by its roots and judge success by the return of Jewish members and those who felt they could no longer support us.”

As Corbyn has already put those procedures in place that shouldn’t be too hard a task.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1399 on: April 04, 2020, 05:34:50 PM »
It seems Keir’s pledge to work with the government on the Coronavirus crisis and not to score political points hasn’t gone down too well with the Corbyn Fan Club.

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2020/04/04/keir-starmers-victory-speech-just-finished-the-labour-party/
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1400 on: April 04, 2020, 06:06:42 PM »
It seems Keir’s pledge to work with the government on the Coronavirus crisis and not to score political points hasn’t gone down too well with the Corbyn Fan Club.

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2020/04/04/keir-starmers-victory-speech-just-finished-the-labour-party/

It’s a little too early to know what kind of leader he’ll make. One good thing, the MSM won’t be able to monster him like they did Corbyn.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1401 on: April 04, 2020, 11:22:14 PM »
Interesting study, the results of which are, ironically, published in the Daily Mail.

Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says study
Children with low intelligence grow up to be prejudiced
Right-wing views make the less intelligent feel 'safe'
Analysis of more than 15,000 people
By ROB WAUGH
UPDATED: 00:55, 1 February 2016
     


Right-wingers tend to be less intelligent than left-wingers, and people with low childhood intelligence tend to grow up to have racist and anti-gay views, says a controversial new study.

Conservative politics work almost as a 'gateway' into prejudice against others, say the Canadian academics.

The paper analysed large UK studies which compared childhood intelligence with political views in adulthood across more than 15,000 people.

The authors claim that people with low intelligence gravitate towards right-wing views because they make them feel safe.

Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron Labour party leader Ed Miliband
The survey, which compared childhood intelligence with political views, is bad news for David Cameron, the Conservative Party Prime Minister but should give a lift to Labour Party leader, Ed Miliband, pictured in Question Time

Crucially, people's educational level is not what determines whether they are racist or not - it's innate intelligence, according to the academics.

Social status also appears to play no part.

The study, published in Psychological Science, claims that right-wing ideology forms a 'pathway' for people with low reasoning ability to become prejudiced against groups such as other races and gay people.

President Barack Obama Romney
Left-wingers tend to be more open-minded says the survey - Democrats voted in first black U.S. president Barack Obama. But right-wing ideology forms a pathway for prejudice - Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney, pictured right, was glitter-bombed yesterday by gay-rights activists because of his views

'Cognitive abilities are critical in forming impressions of other people and in being open minded,' say the researchers.

'Individuals with lower cognitive abilities may gravitate towards more socially conservative right-wing ideologies that maintain the status quo.

'It provides a sense of order.'

The study, by academics at Brock University in Ontario, Canada, used information from two UK studies from 1958 and 1970 , where several thousand children were assessed for intelligence at age 10 and 11, and then asked political questions aged 33.

The 1958 National Child Development involved 4,267 men and 4,537 women born in 1958.

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'Individuals with lower abilities may gravitate towards right-wing ideologies that maintain the status quo.
It provides a sense of order,' say the academics

The British Cohort Study involved 3,412 men and 3,658 women born in 1970.

It's the first time the data from these studies has been used in this way.

In adulthood, the children were asked whether they agreed with statements such as, 'I wouldn't mind working with people from other races,' and 'I wouldn't mind if a family of a different race moved next door.'

They were also asked whether they agreed with statements about typically right-wing and socially conservative politics such as, 'Give law breakers stiffer sentences,' and 'Schools should teach children to obey authority.'

The researchers also compared their results against a 1986 American study which included tests of cognitive ability and questions assessing prejudice against homosexuals.

The authors claim that there is a strong correlation between low intelligence both as a child and an adult, and right-wing politics.

The authors also claim that conservative politics is part of a complex relationship that leads people to become prejudices.

'Conservative ideology represents a critical pathway through which childhood intelligence predicts racism in adulthood,' says the paper.

'In psychological terms, the relation between intelligence and prejudice may stem from the propensity of individuals with lower cognitive ability to endorse more right wing conservative ideologies because such ideologies offer a psychological sense of stability and order.'

'Clearly, however, all socially conservative people are not prejudiced, and all prejudiced persons are not conservative.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html



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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1402 on: April 05, 2020, 01:40:15 AM »
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/stepping-down-as-labour-leader-corbyn-can-hold-his-head-high/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=today-on-the-jvl-blog-newsletter-total-articles-for-you_1

Stepping down as Labour leader, Corbyn can hold his head high
Fri 3 Apr 2020

JVL Introduction
As Jeremy Corbyn steps down as Labour leader, one of the most heartfelt appreciations has come from right-wing journalist Peter Oborne.

Former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph, he recently spent months, in the build-up to the election, inveighing against the political lies and fabrications, “so regularly, so shamelessly” of Boris Johnson.

By contrast he writes of Jeremy Corbyn comments:

“Corbyn’s problem? Again and again, he committed the ultimate crime in politics. He got the big issues right. The establishment will never forgive you for that.

“The fact is that, like it or not, the quiet and unassuming Corbyn has been a visionary leader of the Labour Party.”

This article was originally published by Middle East Eye on Fri 3 Apr 2020. Read the original here.

Stepping down as Labour leader, Corbyn can hold his head high
No mainstream politician in modern times has been as mocked and misrepresented as Corbyn – nor has any been proved right so often

by Peter Oborne, Middle East Eye

There is one cardinal rule of British politics, decreed the great British historian AJP Taylor: radicals and visionaries are condemned to be ostracised and despised in their lifetimes. They never get within a whiff of power, unless they sell out. They get stopped by the establishment.

But there is one compensation. Their ideas win in the end. Not long after they leave the political stage, what once sounded heretical becomes the new orthodoxy. To put it another way, they lose the present but win the future.

Taylor’s analysis – set out in his superlative book The Trouble Makers, which reads as well today as it did when it was written six decades ago – applies exactly to Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader who leaves office this weekend.

Defying collective wisdom

No mainstream politician in modern times has been as mocked, misrepresented and eviscerated as Corbyn. But I can’t think of a single one who has been proved right so quickly – or so often.

Defying the collective wisdom of the establishment, Corbyn led the campaign against the invasion of Iraq. Seventeen bloody years later, the US is still trying to find a way to extricate itself. Virtually everyone admits Corbyn was right.

Corbyn warned against the invasion of Afghanistan. Nearly two decades later, the US has struck a deal with the Taliban and is on the way out, tail between its legs.

Corbyn was one of only a dozen British MPs who voted against former UK Prime Minister David Cameron and former French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s Libya debacle. What a disaster. Once again, Corbyn was proved right.

But it is on the domestic front that Corbyn has been vindicated most spectacularly of all. Throughout the course of his half-century political career, Corbyn has argued against what we today call neoliberalism. That is to say, he has consistently argued against the shrinking of the state, the removal of protections for workers and the privatisation of public services.

Implementing Corbynomics

In recent years, that has meant that Corbyn has argued for the end of austerity, the reversal of privatisation and billions more pounds in public spending. As a result, he has been denounced by his political opponents (both in the Conservative Party and, more surprisingly, in his own Labour Party) as a demented Marxist hell-bent on the destruction of the British economy and the obliteration of Britain itself.

Though I have been a strong critic of many of Corbyn’s economic ideas, I pointed out that he was asking for nothing more drastic than a restoration of the social democratic settlement that prevailed in Britain between the end of World War II up to the rise of Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s.

There is, of course, a rich irony at work here, for as Corbyn steps down from office, Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government is hard at work putting into effect an even more radical version of the domestic policies advocated by Corbyn in two consecutive general elections.

Corbynomics was the term used in the Tory press. Unprecedented levels of government spending. Bailouts for failed businesses. An exponential increase for government borrowing. Renationalisation. All put into practice by the very same prime minister who repeatedly warned before the last election that Britain under Corbyn would suffer an “economic catastrophe”.

Knives still out

Chancellor Rishi Sunak’s measures have been praised to the skies by the exact same right-wing media who warned of economic obliteration if Corbyn ever became prime minister. This was true even of the spending splurge unleashed in his budget before the coronavirus crisis struck.

Even more so afterwards. Although it is too soon to say for certain, coronavirus appears to be bringing about a radical change of attitudes towards carers, public sector workers, nurses, doctors, and it should be said, migrants. People are coming to realise that they are some of the heroes of British society.

This brings me to my final point. As he prepares to step down as Labour leader, his opponents are plunging the knife in one final time.

In the Times, Matt Chorley sums up his leadership as “superficially well-meaning, yet bafflingly meaningless”. In the Spectator, Stephen Daisley’s denunciation of Corbyn’s “toxic legacy” is more direct: “Take your messiah complex and your dismal little cult and shove off.”

Tory and Labour grandees alike are not passing up a last chance to undermine the departing Labour leader. Lord Mandelson, the architect of New Labour, unsurprisingly branded Corbyn’s politics as “intolerance and factionalism”. This was some cheek from Mandelson, probably the most divisive figure Labour has ever produced.

Thatcher’s press secretary, Bernard Ingham, called Corbyn “a totalitarian up to his neck” in the Yorkshire Post. He has been written off with utter contempt.

The ultimate crime

Now, a new Labour leader is set to take over in the shape of Keir Starmer. He’s unproven, but I like the look of him. Many are advising Starmer to eradicate the legacy of Corbyn – to write him out of history, just as Tony Blair did to his predecessor, John Smith. But if Starmer has any sense, he will honour Corbyn and praise his legacy.

Corbyn’s problem? Again and again, he committed the ultimate crime in politics. He got the big issues right. The establishment will never forgive you for that.

The fact is that, like it or not, the quiet and unassuming Corbyn has been a visionary leader of the Labour Party. Of course he made mistakes. Of course he got things wrong. But history will be far kinder to him than to Johnson, or Blair, or Theresa May. Corbyn can hold his head high as he steps down as Labour leader this weekend.

The views expressed in this article belong to the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Middle East Eye.

Peter Oborne won best commentary/blogging in 2017 and was named freelancer of the year in 2016 at the Online Media Awards for articles he wrote for Middle East Eye. He also was British Press Awards Columnist of the Year 2013. He resigned as chief political columnist of the Daily Telegraph in 2015. His books include The Triumph of the Political Class, The Rise of Political Lying, and Why the West is Wrong about Nuclear Iran.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1403 on: April 06, 2020, 06:00:47 PM »
Interesting study, the results of which are, ironically, published in the Daily Mail.

Right-wingers are less intelligent than left wingers, says study
Children with low intelligence grow up to be prejudiced
Right-wing views make the less intelligent feel 'safe'
Analysis of more than 15,000 people
By ROB WAUGH
UPDATED: 00:55, 1 February 2016
     


Right-wingers tend to be less intelligent than left-wingers, and people with low childhood intelligence tend to grow up to have racist and anti-gay views, says a controversial new study.

Conservative politics work almost as a 'gateway' into prejudice against others, say the Canadian academics.

The paper analysed large UK studies which compared childhood intelligence with political views in adulthood across more than 15,000 people.

The authors claim that people with low intelligence gravitate towards right-wing views because they make them feel safe.

Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron Labour party leader Ed Miliband
The survey, which compared childhood intelligence with political views, is bad news for David Cameron, the Conservative Party Prime Minister but should give a lift to Labour Party leader, Ed Miliband, pictured in Question Time

Crucially, people's educational level is not what determines whether they are racist or not - it's innate intelligence, according to the academics.

Social status also appears to play no part.

The study, published in Psychological Science, claims that right-wing ideology forms a 'pathway' for people with low reasoning ability to become prejudiced against groups such as other races and gay people.

President Barack Obama Romney
Left-wingers tend to be more open-minded says the survey - Democrats voted in first black U.S. president Barack Obama. But right-wing ideology forms a pathway for prejudice - Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney, pictured right, was glitter-bombed yesterday by gay-rights activists because of his views

'Cognitive abilities are critical in forming impressions of other people and in being open minded,' say the researchers.

'Individuals with lower cognitive abilities may gravitate towards more socially conservative right-wing ideologies that maintain the status quo.

'It provides a sense of order.'

The study, by academics at Brock University in Ontario, Canada, used information from two UK studies from 1958 and 1970 , where several thousand children were assessed for intelligence at age 10 and 11, and then asked political questions aged 33.

The 1958 National Child Development involved 4,267 men and 4,537 women born in 1958.

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'Individuals with lower abilities may gravitate towards right-wing ideologies that maintain the status quo.
It provides a sense of order,' say the academics

The British Cohort Study involved 3,412 men and 3,658 women born in 1970.

It's the first time the data from these studies has been used in this way.

In adulthood, the children were asked whether they agreed with statements such as, 'I wouldn't mind working with people from other races,' and 'I wouldn't mind if a family of a different race moved next door.'

They were also asked whether they agreed with statements about typically right-wing and socially conservative politics such as, 'Give law breakers stiffer sentences,' and 'Schools should teach children to obey authority.'

The researchers also compared their results against a 1986 American study which included tests of cognitive ability and questions assessing prejudice against homosexuals.

The authors claim that there is a strong correlation between low intelligence both as a child and an adult, and right-wing politics.

The authors also claim that conservative politics is part of a complex relationship that leads people to become prejudices.

'Conservative ideology represents a critical pathway through which childhood intelligence predicts racism in adulthood,' says the paper.

'In psychological terms, the relation between intelligence and prejudice may stem from the propensity of individuals with lower cognitive ability to endorse more right wing conservative ideologies because such ideologies offer a psychological sense of stability and order.'

'Clearly, however, all socially conservative people are not prejudiced, and all prejudiced persons are not conservative.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html


Very interesting Faith.   What was the measuring tool used to define 'intelligence'- and did it bother to check common sense as a social means to wealth.

Tory voters are middle /upper class wealthy-they own and run large businesses= stupid?  ok!

why are the educated Labour voters all lower classes?  they be the intelligent ones? *giggles*
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1404 on: April 06, 2020, 06:04:04 PM »
The most intelligent voters are Greens and Lib Dems, and that’s a fact.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/03/greenpolitics-liberaldemocrats
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1405 on: April 06, 2020, 06:17:51 PM »
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1406 on: April 12, 2020, 11:36:27 AM »
https://dorseteye.com/report-in-to-antisemitism-in-labour-party-concludes-that-jeremy-corbyn-and-senior-leadership-were-stitched-up/

Report in to antisemitism in Labour Party concludes that Jeremy Corbyn and senior leadership were stitched up
By Dorset Eye - 11th April 202037717 5

 
An extensive internal investigation into the way Labour handled antisemitism complaints will not be submitted to the Equality and Human Rights Commission, after an intervention by party lawyers.

The 860-page report, seen by Sky News, concluded factional hostility towards Jeremy Corbyn amongst former senior officials contributed to “a litany of mistakes” that hindered the effective handling of the issue.

The investigation, which was completed in the last month of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, claims to have found “no evidence” of antisemitism complaints being treated differently to other forms of complaint, or of current or former staff being “motivated by antisemitic intent”.

Instead, the report concludes there was a lack of “robust processes, systems, training, education and effective line management” and found “abundant evidence of a hyper-factional atmosphere prevailing in Party HQ” towards Jeremy Corbyn which “affected the expeditious and resolute handling of disciplinary complaints”.

As well as 10,000 separate emails, the dossier uncovers thousands of private WhatsApp communications between former senior party officials and singles out for criticism some who gave whistleblower evidence to last year’s highly-critical BBC Panorama investigation on antisemitism within Labour.

These include the former General Secretary Lord McNicol and the former acting head of the governance and legal unit, Sam Matthews.

“This report completely blows open everything that went on”

“We were being sabotaged and set up left right and centre by McNicol’s team and we didn’t even know. It’s so important that the truth comes out”, the source added.

The report claims private communications show senior former staff “openly worked against the aims and objectives of the leadership of the Party, and in the 2017 general election some key staff even appeared to work against the Party’s core objective of winning elections”.

The report says the WhatsApp communications in question, which included some of the most senior figures in the party headquarters and Lord McNicol’s office, were leaked by one of the group’s members.

The examples from chat archives published in the document include:

Conversations in 2017 which appear to show senior staff preparing for Tom Watson to become interim leader in anticipation of Jeremy Corbyn losing the election
Conversations which it is claimed show senior staff hid information from the leader’s office about digital spending and contact details for MPs and candidates during the election
Conversations on election night in which the members of the group talk about the need to hide their disappointment that Mr. Corbyn had done better than expected and would be unlikely to resign
A discussion about whether the grassroots activist network Momentum could be ‘proscribed’ for being a ‘party within a party’
A discussion about ‘unsuspending’ a former Labour MP who was critical of Jeremy Corbyn so they could stand as a candidate in the 2017 election
A discussion about how to prevent corbyn-ally Rebecca Long-Bailey gaining a seat on the party’s governing body in 2017
Regular references to corbyn-supporting party staff as “trots”
Conversations between senior staff in Lord McNicol’s office in which they refer to former director of communications Seamus Milnes as “dracula”, and saying he was “spiteful and evil and we should make sure he is never allowed in our Party if it’s last thing we do”
Conversations in which the same group refers to Mr. Corbyn’s former chief of staff Karie Murphy as “medusa”, a “crazy woman” and a “bitch face cow” that would “make a good dartboard”
A discussion in which one of the group members expresses their “hope” that a young pro-Corbyn Labour activist, who they acknowledge had mental health problems, “dies in a fire”
The investigation also accuses the former General Secretary Lord McNicol, and other senior figures of providing “false and misleading information” to Jeremy Corbyn’s office in relation to the handling of antisemitism complaints, which the report claims meant “the scale of the problem was not appreciated” by the leadership.

The report has yet to be made available to the public.

Source:
Sky News

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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1407 on: April 12, 2020, 11:09:38 PM »
Everything seems to be unraveling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6oOj7BzciA
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Offline Brietta

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1408 on: April 14, 2020, 07:36:59 PM »
It’s a little too early to know what kind of leader he’ll make. One good thing, the MSM won’t be able to monster him like they did Corbyn.

I have to disagree, Faithlilly, of course they will find something to monster him with.  I can't think of a single Labour leader in my lifetime or my parents' who didn't receive the treatment.  What I think Starmer will do will be to consolidate the lost core vote and with any luck make inroads into becoming electable again.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #1409 on: April 14, 2020, 10:45:40 PM »
I have to disagree, Faithlilly, of course they will find something to monster him with.  I can't think of a single Labour leader in my lifetime or my parents' who didn't receive the treatment.  What I think Starmer will do will be to consolidate the lost core vote and with any luck make inroads into becoming electable again.

I genuinely hope you are right Brietta...my but we need a Labour government. I think many of the core vote may naturally drift back to their historic voting pattern now Brexit has been accomplished, or at least the part of it that actually saw us leave. Others will be harder to convince as Labour had been losing votes from long before Corbyn became leader, in fact he won many back in 2017. Starmer will have to do something radical to convince them particularly to vote Labour again. Further he will have to stop members who are left leaning from abandoning ship too and to my mind that starts by dealing urgently and decisively with the leaked report.

Scotland’s influence must also not be underestimated. If we fail to win votes back from the SNP then it will be an uphill struggle for Labour to win any election, no matter who the leader.
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