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Lyall

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« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2015, 10:50:17 PM »
Blair was the most successful Labour leader in my lifetime, so Hain (who also is a first rate economist) should have some idea what he's talking about.

So does Richard Murphy, who is I believe close to the new Labour leadership. What Murphy doesn't know about the crazy tax loopholes and tax breaks the wealthy benefit from isn't worth knowing.

The idea isn't to clobber the rich for the sake of it, it's to stop the gap between rich and poor increasing (as it has done under every government since the 1960s).

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« Reply #61 on: September 13, 2015, 10:54:01 PM »
Would that be East Germany? 8(0(*

Nein &%&(+

Our economy is even more centered around financial institutions than the US. When they go bang we are in the worst position of any economy. Germany recognises that reliance is potentially disastrous, and Corbyn thinks it's high time we recognised it too.

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« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2015, 10:57:52 PM »
Let's simplify this for you.  which far left socialist governments worldwide do you feel have transformed their countries and the lives of their people for the better on a longterm basis?

The problem is that I can't discuss politics in a simplistic manner. I have a degree in the subject which means that terms such as 'far left' and 'socialist' have to be defined before I can discuss them.

Some countries people describe as 'Communist' call themselves 'Socialist' - Cuba and China for eg. These are usually one-party states who follow Marxist-Leninist ideology. Other countries call themselves 'Socialist' - Guyana and India are examples of these. Others are clearly what we call 'Capitalist' but they have some similar policies to Corbyn's - Canada and Denmark are examples of these. The last two groups are multi-party systems.

which of the above would you prefer to discuss then?
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« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2015, 11:04:15 PM »
The problem is that I can't discuss politics in a simplistic manner. I have a degree in the subject which means that terms such as 'far left' and 'socialist' have to be defined before I can discuss them.

Some countries people describe as 'Communist' call themselves 'Socialist' - Cuba and China for eg. These are usually one-party states who follow Marxist-Leninist ideology. Other countries call themselves 'Socialist' - Guyana and India are examples of these. Others are clearly what we call 'Capitalist' but they have some similar policies to Corbyn's - Canada and Denmark are examples of these. The last two groups are multi-party systems.

which of the above would you prefer to discuss then?
OK you win.  I don't have a degree in politics so as you have the top trump card I may as well bow out now before my lack of in-depth knowledge on the subject is cruelly exposed for all to see.   @)(++(*

Lyall

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« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2015, 11:10:00 PM »
The problem is that I can't discuss politics in a simplistic manner. I have a degree in the subject which means that terms such as 'far left' and 'socialist' have to be defined before I can discuss them.

Some countries people describe as 'Communist' call themselves 'Socialist' - Cuba and China for eg. These are usually one-party states who follow Marxist-Leninist ideology. Other countries call themselves 'Socialist' - Guyana and India are examples of these. Others are clearly what we call 'Capitalist' but they have some similar policies to Corbyn's - Canada and Denmark are examples of these. The last two groups are multi-party systems.

which of the above would you prefer to discuss then?

Not much Marxist-Leninist about China these days, G 8(8-))

Lyall

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« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2015, 11:13:28 PM »
Have you heard who the new Shadow Chancellor is yet, Alfred? @)(++(*

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« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2015, 11:19:47 PM »
OK you win.  I don't have a degree in politics so as you have the top trump card I may as well bow out now before my lack of in-depth knowledge on the subject is cruelly exposed for all to see.   @)(++(*

My degree wasn't used as a 'trump card', I just needed to explain why it's difficult for me to discuss politics using every day descriptions, and that I wasn't just being annoying. I could, for example, demonstrate that Russia and China, while both 'socialist' states have completely different ideas of what socialism is.

The Labour Party is, of course a socialist party of some sort.
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Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2015, 11:21:07 PM »
Have you heard who the new Shadow Chancellor is yet, Alfred? @)(++(*
Is it Peter Hain? *&*%

Lyall

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« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2015, 11:24:34 PM »
Is it Peter Hain? *&*%

8(>(( Nope.

John McDonnell. Very brave decision.

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2015, 11:28:25 PM »
8(>(( Nope.

John McDonnell. Very brave decision.
I know nothing about him.  Why is it brave?  I must admit I enjoyed Tom Watson publicly disagreeing with his leader already today...  @)(++(*

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« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2015, 11:31:05 PM »
Not much Marxist-Leninist about China these days, G 8(8-))

Karl Marx predicted that international trade would 'batter down the walls of China'. Quite an impressive prediction to make in the 1840's.

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« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2015, 11:31:23 PM »
OK, just googled him - now I know who (and what) you mean.

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« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2015, 11:36:28 PM »
I know nothing about him.  Why is it brave?  I must admit I enjoyed Tom Watson publicly disagreeing with his leader already today...  @)(++(*

Another honest man in my opinion. The point isn't whether people agree on everything. Coalition governments with differing views manage to reach a consensus, so why can't a party containing people with different views do so?
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Lyall

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« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2015, 11:42:24 PM »
Karl Marx predicted that international trade would 'batter down the walls of China'. Quite an impressive prediction to make in the 1840's.

Very clever chap he was ?{)(** If only he was around today.

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« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2015, 01:11:15 AM »
Who was in power when you bogged off then Eleanor? It couldn't have been a left-wing Labour government.

Do you know, I really can't remember.  I had stopped voting altogether by then having come to the conclusion that after they stabbed Margret Thatcher in the back there wasn't a party of any kind worth voting for.