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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2015, 04:31:33 PM »
Margaret Thatcher encouraged me to start my own business, and I survived for eight years despite interest rates being very high at the time
I was providing excellence, but that ran it's course as other businesses were being squeezed.  So I don't really know what the answer is.

I eventually ran out of steam and went into Burn Out as I struggled to do what would have taken at least two more employees to fulfil, if I could have afforded to pay them.
So I bogged off to France and put my energy to running a Gardening Business, and earned considerably more money, relying only on myself.

No, I don't mind.  I learned a lot.  Not least good book keeping.  And I earned a few bob doing that for other people.
But Britain simply cannot afford to kill off people like me, because we will go.  Or give up altogether.

And it isn't just Corbyn.  It's the whole mindset.

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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2015, 08:16:13 PM »
The one point alone highlighted above will be enough to ensure Labour won't win any election under Corbyn.  IMO, his policies if they ever came into play would cause mass inflation, an upsurge in trade union activism, a dramatic downturn in the economy and an unprecedented exodus of business and wealth from this country.  But if that's what the people of this  country want then they must vote for him and his policies - we shall see how far he gets in five years time if he still leads the party then.

I note you didn't answer my question. Where have similar policies been implemented?
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« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2015, 08:20:06 PM »
Margaret Thatcher encouraged me to start my own business, and I survived for eight years despite interest rates being very high at the time
I was providing excellence, but that ran it's course as other businesses were being squeezed.  So I don't really know what the answer is.

I eventually ran out of steam and went into Burn Out as I struggled to do what would have taken at least two more employees to fulfil, if I could have afforded to pay them.
So I bogged off to France and put my energy to running a Gardening Business, and earned considerably more money, relying only on myself.

No, I don't mind.  I learned a lot.  Not least good book keeping.  And I earned a few bob doing that for other people.
But Britain simply cannot afford to kill off people like me, because we will go.  Or give up altogether.

And it isn't just Corbyn.  It's the whole mindset.

Who was in power when you bogged off then Eleanor? It couldn't have been a left-wing Labour government.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2015, 08:56:05 PM »
I note you didn't answer my question. Where have similar policies been implemented?
why should I answer your question when you ignored mine?
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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2015, 09:30:46 PM »
why should I answer your question when you ignored mine?

Was this your question?

Out of interest, where in the world has Corbyn's brand of politics ever been shown to work on a longterm basis and improve the standard of living and well being for all its inhabitants?

If you can tell me where Corbyn's 'brand of politics' has been implemented I would be able to assess whether it worked or not. 
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Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2015, 09:39:52 PM »
Was this your question?

Out of interest, where in the world has Corbyn's brand of politics ever been shown to work on a longterm basis and improve the standard of living and well being for all its inhabitants?

If you can tell me where Corbyn's 'brand of politics' has been implemented I would be able to assess whether it worked or not.
Why are you asking me basically the same question I asked you?  Are you under the impression that Corbyn's policies are uniquely his and are untried and untested anywhere in the world?

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« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2015, 09:47:50 PM »
Why are you asking me basically the same question I asked you?  Are you under the impression that Corbyn's policies are uniquely his and are untried and untested anywhere in the world?

Certain of his ideas exist in certain countries. I'm not sure if I know of a country where all of them exist? that's if I knew all of his policies, which I don't. Do you?
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Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2015, 10:17:22 PM »
Certain of his ideas exist in certain countries. I'm not sure if I know of a country where all of them exist? that's if I knew all of his policies, which I don't. Do you?
Let's simplify this for you.  which far left socialist governments worldwide do you feel have transformed their countries and the lives of their people for the better on a longterm basis?   

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« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2015, 10:38:32 PM »
Jez is 66 I believe, not 62, meaning he will be 71 at the next election.  It's all well and good him being a nice guy and all, with integrity and principles but we need an effective party of opposition not an anti-establishment protest group which is what Labour will become under Corbyn.  Out of interest, where in the world has Corbyn's brand of politics ever been shown to work on a longterm basis and improve the standard of living and well being for all its inhabitants?

Effective opposition isn't sitting around looking at the polls being too terrified to do anything for five years, which is exactly what Labour did in the last parliament, and it's what they'd also do in this one if any of the other candidates had won the election.

Lyall

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« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2015, 10:39:39 PM »
And if you won't listen to me, listen to Peter Hain (or is he one of the rich and greedy raising a clamour against Corbyn you were referring to?)

"But the reason I won’t vote for Corbyn is that, underneath his appealing slogans and rousing values, there is no programmatic substance. Whatever their respective merits, proposals to scrap Trident, abolish tuition fees and renationalise the railways do not constitute a coherent platform.

His economic policy amounts to an unelectable platform of “tax and spend” – an anguished cry of protest, not a serious alternative for a Labour government seeking to reject the suffocating neoliberal orthodoxy of cuts, shrinking the state and privatising everything possible.

He demonstrates little understanding of the immensely arduous challenge of electing, let alone running, a social democratic or democratic socialist government, when neoliberalism is so destructively dominant globally and the British media mostly in hock to it".

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/30/jeremy-corbyn-policies-labour

Yes, Hain is a Blairrite. Enough said.

Lyall

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2015, 10:41:58 PM »
Was this your question?

Out of interest, where in the world has Corbyn's brand of politics ever been shown to work on a longterm basis and improve the standard of living and well being for all its inhabitants?

If you can tell me where Corbyn's 'brand of politics' has been implemented I would be able to assess whether it worked or not.

He's actually proposing something similar to Germany's economy, and nobody could claim Germany's governments since 1945 have been 'loony left wing'.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2015, 10:43:50 PM »
Effective opposition isn't sitting around looking at the polls being too terrified to do anything for five years, which is exactly what Labour did in the last parliament, and it's what they'd also do in this one if any of the other candidates had won the election.
I don't disagree.

Lyall

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« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2015, 10:45:02 PM »

Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2015, 10:45:57 PM »
Yes, Hain is a Blairrite. Enough said.
Blair was the most successful Labour leader in my lifetime, so Hain (who also is a first rate economist) should have some idea what he's talking about.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2015, 10:47:30 PM »
He's actually proposing something similar to Germany's economy, and nobody could claim Germany's governments since 1945 have been 'loony left wing'.
Would that be East Germany? 8(0(*