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Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2015, 12:31:25 PM »
I honestly don't know, G Unit.  You almost certainly have a greater understanding than I, of politics in general, which is how it must be looked at.
Didn't someone famously say that any Party in power for long enough would ultimately get it right?  I remember thinking at the time that this was probably correct on an ideological level.

I do actually agree with some of Corbyn's policies, sad I am to admit it.  But printing millions of pounds of extra money is crazy.

So The Left could have five years.  Five years of future voters growing up, who have no knowledge of previous left wing disasters, and I doubt that many of them will have any understanding of economics.  I don't have all that much myself beyond your average housewife balancing a budget, which hardly anyone worries about these days.  Just pull out the credit card and pay the interest at the end of the month.  Something that my generation wasn't prone to.

I saved really seriously in my years of working here often foregoing luxuries, in the mistaken belief that the interest would help my State Pension, even if only by 10 or 15 Pounds a week.  And we all know how that turned out.

No, I'm not really complaining because I manage okay.  I have always been borderline broke, having put three children through Boarding School because The State System was so awful.  But it all comes down to me in the end.  What could Jeremy Corbyn do for me?

My husband and I are pensioners. This year our pensions rose by 2 per week each. Our council tax alone rose by 20 per month, due to Central Government squeezing the Local Councils to make cuts. We don't live in a large property, we live in a small flat.

Dennis Skinner is on Radio 2 with Jeremy Vine. He has just referred to 1945 when the UK was broke. Labour created the NHS, built council houses and created almost full employment within 5 years. He is saying that similar achievements should be no problem as the UK isn't broke now. He is referring to Keynesian economic policies which say that the regular booms and busts which are a feature of capitalist economies need state intervention to balance them out.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #91 on: September 14, 2015, 12:49:46 PM »

Pensioners have been treated badly by both sides.  Who is ever going to forget the 73 pence Gordon Brown tried to get away with.  While having been deprived illegally of The Winter Fuel Allowance for 15 years, The Tories are now trying to deprive me again because it's warmer down in the South of France.  200 miserable Pounds a year when it is often freezing in Brittany.

Am I ever going to forget the strident voices of all of The Chancellors over the years, telling us how well they are looking after us.  The Basic British State Pension is a joke in France.  You get automatic access to Food Banks if that is all you have for income.  And I have used them in the past.  But I have nothing but admiration for what these people do here.  Never a hint of Charity, although that is what it is.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #92 on: September 14, 2015, 01:10:46 PM »
A man who shares my opinion of the Sun then.  @)(++(*

%&)**# Nearly everyone's opinion I think, G.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #93 on: September 14, 2015, 01:39:33 PM »
The Tories are determined to cut the 'welfare' costs, but what most people don't know is that the largest part of them is state pensions. I'm not a fan of means testing but a lot could be saved if state pensions and child allowances were means tested. I worked up until last year and my boss was rather shamefaced when he told me he had received his first winter fuel allowance. As a very senior tax accountant with a multinational oil company the money was not needed. He had a property in the UK and a Chateau in France to which he later retired with a full salary pension.

I have never been on benefits but my daughter was due to illness. As a single person she wasn't eligible for food banks, even though she received no payments at one point for five weeks. Apparently she hadn't filled out and returned a form they sent her. She had never received the form but they stopped paying her nevertheless. We had to give her money for weeks for food and basic bills. Some people do 'work the system', others are treated abominably. The worry of it made my daughter sicker than she was in the beginning. The government pays private companies to 'assess' those who are ill: they don't believe the GP's. The companies are used to reject as many as they possibly can and force them onto JSA, which pays less.

People claiming JSA are forced to use the internet to apply for jobs. Some older men haven't a clue how to do it, but they get their money stopped if they don't do it. As they're not eligible for food banks and their rent payments are also stopped if their money is stopped they can end up homeless and starving. These are men my daughter has spoken to who have lost their manual jobs through no fault of their own. They are in complete despair.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2015, 01:46:39 PM »
But didn't we all, well, most of us, actually pay for our pensions?

Incidentally, French Food Banks are run by a Charity.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #95 on: September 14, 2015, 02:12:09 PM »
But didn't we all, well, most of us, actually pay for our pensions?

All workers, (employees or self-employed) pay National Insurance contributions. In addition employers pay employer's NI. Your NI payments cease if you work beyond retirement age.

The NI money is supposed to be ring-fenced and used to pay for the NHS, unemployment benefit, sickness and disability allowances and state pensions. DWP  also contribute to Housing Benefit via a subsidy paid to Local councils. The subsidy has been slowly decreasing over the years. The government can borrow from the NI 'pot' to pay for other things if it wishes to.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #96 on: September 14, 2015, 03:17:39 PM »
All workers, (employees or self-employed) pay National Insurance contributions. In addition employers pay employer's NI. Your NI payments cease if you work beyond retirement age.

The NI money is supposed to be ring-fenced and used to pay for the NHS, unemployment benefit, sickness and disability allowances and state pensions. DWP  also contribute to Housing Benefit via a subsidy paid to Local councils. The subsidy has been slowly decreasing over the years. The government can borrow from the NI 'pot' to pay for other things if it wishes to.

So why should a State Pension be means tested if we paid for it?

And yes indeed, The Government did "Borrow" from the pot to pay for other things, which is why there is a problem with paying Pension.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #97 on: September 14, 2015, 03:27:59 PM »
McDonnell, eh?  Oh Dear. My Clan.  Things have just got a bit more complicated.
Yes, he publicly expressed a wish to have been able to go back in time to assassinate Thatcher and is an IRA supporter, both admirable qualities if you're a Corybnista I'm sure...  @)(++(*

PS: What is it with all these "pacifist" hard-left socialists and their admiration for terrorists?

Lyall

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #98 on: September 14, 2015, 03:41:48 PM »
Jezza sitting on the front bench for the first time just now ?>)()<

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #99 on: September 14, 2015, 03:48:25 PM »
Jezza sitting on the front bench for the first time just now ?>)()<
Is it true that he plans to be "elsewhere" for PMQ on Thurdsay, or is it just a vicious rumour?

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #100 on: September 14, 2015, 03:55:51 PM »
Is it true that he plans to be "elsewhere" for PMQ on Thurdsay, or is it just a vicious rumour?

I've no idea. Does it matter? He's not the kind of leader who will be concentrating on PR opportunities.

The party has been asking people to send in questions though, so it's being taken seriously. But the face asking the questions is of secondary importance.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #101 on: September 14, 2015, 03:58:50 PM »
I've no idea. Does it matter? He's not the kind of leader who will be concentrating on PR opportunities.

The party has been asking people to send in questions though, so it's being taken seriously. But the face asking the questions is of secondary importance.
I'd say it does matter yes.  If he's not prepared to make an effort with PR opportunities how is he ever going to sell himself to the public? Cycle to every home in the country and set out his policies on a one-to-one basis over a cup of tea?

Lyall

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #102 on: September 14, 2015, 04:00:39 PM »
Wait and see %&)**# It's only day 3.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #103 on: September 14, 2015, 04:01:06 PM »
Apparently he will be there - Wednesday, not Thursday - d'oh!

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #104 on: September 14, 2015, 06:24:04 PM »
So why should a State Pension be means tested if we paid for it?

And yes indeed, The Government did "Borrow" from the pot to pay for other things, which is why there is a problem with paying Pension.

The link between what you pay and what you get is quite tenuous. Some people get far more out than others, and not just the high earners. A healthy person who always works and has no children is way behind a disabled person who can't work and has numerous health treatments and children. It's difficult to confirm that someone has 'paid for their pension'. They have contributed to a bundle of benefits is what they've done. By the time they reach pension age they may be in credit, they may not.
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