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Alfred R Jones

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« Reply #120 on: September 15, 2015, 05:57:18 PM »
Interesting. Journalists and political commentators don't quite know how to report on Corbyn. No clever spin, no soundbites, just that rare thing - honesty;

it was authentic - and interesting. There was no guff about hardworking families, and none of the coded euphemisms or bland triangulations that litter conventional speeches. The words meant what they were intended to mean. And, idealistic though much of it was, much of what he had to say was refreshingly different.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/sep/15/jeremy-corbyn-speaks-to-the-tuc-conference-politics-live
So was Nick Griffin and look what happened to him. 

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« Reply #121 on: September 15, 2015, 07:03:00 PM »
So was Nick Griffin and look what happened to him.

Do you think Griffin was honest? I wonder.

There are certainly more differences than similarities. Here's a few for you;

Corbyn - Socialist  Griffin - Fascist
Corbyn - Inclusive Griffin - Racist
Corbyn - Internationalist Griffin - Nationalist
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #122 on: September 15, 2015, 07:22:50 PM »
Do you think Griffin was honest? I wonder.

There are certainly more differences than similarities. Here's a few for you;

Corbyn - Socialist  Griffin - Fascist
Corbyn - Inclusive Griffin - Racist
Corbyn - Internationalist Griffin - Nationalist
In fact there are some similarities in some of the policies Nick Griffin's BNP were offering in 2010 to Corbyn's policies but that wasn't really what I was referring to.  I meant that Griffin was not your typical politician, he stood up for his beliefs which he seemed to believe in passionately and said things publicly which the media then used to turn him into a pariah and laughing stock.  He also surrounded himself with a bunch of uneducated dimwits who managed to be even more crass and controversial and inept than he was. Not saying that all of the Shadow Cabinet matches that description but I can think of at least two that do (IMO).   They also both despise(d) Israel (Jews) and fraternise(d) with terrorists.  Apart from that completely different.  Griffin wanted to expel all immigrants whilst Corbyn wants to welcome anyone in the world who wants to live here.  Both completely crazy policies IMO.

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« Reply #123 on: September 15, 2015, 07:32:58 PM »
In fact there are some similarities in some of the policies Nick Griffin's BNP were offering in 2010 to Corbyn's policies but that wasn't really what I was referring to.  I meant that Griffin was not your typical politician, he stood up for his beliefs which he seemed to believe in passionately and said things publicly which the media then used to turn him into a pariah and laughing stock.  He also surrounded himself with a bunch of uneducated dimwits who managed to be even more crass and controversial and inept than he was. Not saying that all of the Shadow Cabinet matches that description but I can think of at least two that do (IMO).   They also both despise(d) Israel (Jews) and fraternise(d) with terrorists.  Apart from that completely different.  Griffin wanted to expel all immigrants whilst Corbyn wants to welcome anyone in the world who wants to live here.  Both completely crazy policies IMO.

The media demonises anyone different who won't play their games. There are few journalists who are honest and have integrity that's for sure.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #124 on: September 15, 2015, 07:37:00 PM »
The media demonises anyone different who won't play their games. There are few journalists who are honest and have integrity that's for sure.
As a politician you have to play the game, otherwise you'll get shafted, you'd have to be a fool or rather nave to throw the gauntlet down at them.

Lyall

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« Reply #125 on: September 15, 2015, 08:04:41 PM »
In fact there are some similarities in some of the policies Nick Griffin's BNP were offering in 2010 to Corbyn's policies but that wasn't really what I was referring to.  I meant that Griffin was not your typical politician, he stood up for his beliefs which he seemed to believe in passionately and said things publicly which the media then used to turn him into a pariah and laughing stock.  He also surrounded himself with a bunch of uneducated dimwits who managed to be even more crass and controversial and inept than he was. Not saying that all of the Shadow Cabinet matches that description but I can think of at least two that do (IMO).   They also both despise(d) Israel (Jews) and fraternise(d) with terrorists.  Apart from that completely different.  Griffin wanted to expel all immigrants whilst Corbyn wants to welcome anyone in the world who wants to live here.  Both completely crazy policies IMO.

Actually he may personally want to leave the EU, which would end most of the immigration.

I don't agree with him, if that is his view, but you're wrong again, Alfred %&)**#

Lyall

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« Reply #126 on: September 15, 2015, 08:08:59 PM »
As a politician you have to play the game, otherwise you'll get shafted, you'd have to be a fool or rather nave to throw the gauntlet down at them.

Yes, we know they'll do to him what they did to Peter Tatchell. But Miliband tried what you propose, and the papers ran propaganda campaigns against him anyway.

Lyall

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #127 on: September 15, 2015, 08:12:39 PM »
Interesting. Journalists and political commentators don't quite know how to report on Corbyn. No clever spin, no soundbites, just that rare thing - honesty;

it was authentic - and interesting. There was no guff about hardworking families, and none of the coded euphemisms or bland triangulations that litter conventional speeches. The words meant what they were intended to mean. And, idealistic though much of it was, much of what he had to say was refreshingly different.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015/sep/15/jeremy-corbyn-speaks-to-the-tuc-conference-politics-live

 %&)**# Good words, G. He is impressing a lot of people, not least I think because there's no aggression when he speaks. That's very unusual in modern politics.

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« Reply #128 on: September 15, 2015, 08:55:13 PM »
%&)**# Good words, G. He is impressing a lot of people, not least I think because there's no aggression when he speaks. That's very unusual in modern politics.

Politics has been dominated for years by professional politicians whose main aim has been developing their careers. To that end they have steered clear of controversy. Corbyn has held controversial opinions throughout his political career and suddenly people have voted him in as leader of one of the main parties. That landslide victory carries a message for all those who have spent years being mealy-mouthed and toeing the party line. People are sick of it. They want commitment and honesty.

Younger people today are different also. The left have traditionally been defeated by name-calling (loony left etc). Younger people are likely to call that bullying and they won't like it, just as they didn't like it when it was tried on Farage. Those wishing to defeat Corbyn are going to have to dust off their brains and defeat him by using factual debate rather than soundbites. They are going to have to justify their policies and beliefs sensibly. Do they have the brains after so long of letting them lie fallow? We shall see.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #129 on: September 15, 2015, 09:00:11 PM »
Actually he may personally want to leave the EU, which would end most of the immigration.

I don't agree with him, if that is his view, but you're wrong again, Alfred %&)**#
what am I wrong about Lyall?

Lyall

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« Reply #130 on: September 15, 2015, 09:43:29 PM »
what am I wrong about Lyall?

You're reading what people say are his policies, not the actual policies.

Lyall

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« Reply #131 on: September 15, 2015, 09:50:32 PM »
Politics has been dominated for years by professional politicians whose main aim has been developing their careers. To that end they have steered clear of controversy. Corbyn has held controversial opinions throughout his political career and suddenly people have voted him in as leader of one of the main parties. That landslide victory carries a message for all those who have spent years being mealy-mouthed and toeing the party line. People are sick of it. They want commitment and honesty.

Younger people today are different also. The left have traditionally been defeated by name-calling (loony left etc). Younger people are likely to call that bullying and they won't like it, just as they didn't like it when it was tried on Farage. Those wishing to defeat Corbyn are going to have to dust off their brains and defeat him by using factual debate rather than soundbites. They are going to have to justify their policies and beliefs sensibly. Do they have the brains after so long of letting them lie fallow? We shall see.

The Tories have declared war on the young, whether they're working, studying, or do something else instead. (New Labour did start the process though.)

In fact they've declared war on every group, except drivers and the retired (both groups being too powerful to take on).

You're right, the young are thinking differently to the rest of the country. They've have had enough of being made to pay for the mistakes/greed of the financial institutions. It was their votes that elected Corbyn.

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« Reply #132 on: September 15, 2015, 10:14:26 PM »
The Tories have declared war on the young, whether they're working, studying, or do something else instead. (New Labour did start the process though.)

In fact they've declared war on every group, except drivers and the retired (both groups being too powerful to take on).

You're right, the young are thinking differently to the rest of the country. They've have had enough of being made to pay for the mistakes/greed of the financial institutions. It was their votes that elected Corbyn.

People used to copy their parent's voting patterns. There was some measure of respect for one's 'betters'. They chose their party and stuck with it. Today's young people will vote differently in different elections. They expect to be informed. They have better BS detection capabilities. Most of them are not nationalistic and definitely not racist.
They suffer most from unemployment and zero hours contracts. They are the ones leaving university and having to work in Greggs or in a call centre. They're the force to be reckoned with, they're the ones that count, they're the future.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #133 on: September 15, 2015, 10:31:07 PM »
You're reading what people say are his policies, not the actual policies.
which bit, specifically, did I get wrong then?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #134 on: September 15, 2015, 10:32:44 PM »
People used to copy their parent's voting patterns. There was some measure of respect for one's 'betters'. They chose their party and stuck with it. Today's young people will vote differently in different elections. They expect to be informed. They have better BS detection capabilities. Most of them are not nationalistic and definitely not racist.
They suffer most from unemployment and zero hours contracts. They are the ones leaving university and having to work in Greggs or in a call centre. They're the force to be reckoned with, they're the ones that count, they're the future.
A huge number of gross generalisations there then!