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Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #420 on: July 09, 2016, 02:03:20 PM »
You keep repeating your opinions as facts. Not all MP's have that as their sole concern. Some are interested in representing and helping their constituents first and foremost. Good work can be done out of power as well as in power. You are taking the values of some and painting all MP's with the same brush. Valued MP's can make a difference when their party is in opposition too;

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Firstly, everything I write is my opinion, got that?  Just so as I don't have to write IMO every single post. 

Secondly, If the PLP is content simply to remain in opposition, with its MPs unable to effect any serious policy change  then of course it should be content to get behind Jeremy and let the Tories run rough shod over the country until he resigns, retires or kicks the bucket, whichever comes first.  Is that what you think they should do?  Simply shut up and put up with Jeremy whilst believing fervently that he will never lead their country to a GE victory?

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« Reply #421 on: July 09, 2016, 08:05:39 PM »
Firstly, everything I write is my opinion, got that?  Just so as I don't have to write IMO every single post. 

Secondly, If the PLP is content simply to remain in opposition, with its MPs unable to effect any serious policy change  then of course it should be content to get behind Jeremy and let the Tories run rough shod over the country until he resigns, retires or kicks the bucket, whichever comes first.  Is that what you think they should do?  Simply shut up and put up with Jeremy whilst believing fervently that he will never lead their country to a GE victory?

What a lot of assumptions!

1. That the PLP believe JC can't win an election.
Maybe they're afraid he will!

2. That a party in opposition can't affect policy.
Farage managed it from outside Parliament!

3. That the Tories will run roughshod over the country.
Corbyn offers the clearest alternative, unlike the PLP before who seemed very similar to the Tories.

Finally, they are rejecting democracy which put them where they are. If they expect the electorate to shut up and accept election results so should they.

No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

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« Reply #422 on: July 10, 2016, 11:29:53 AM »
Andrew Neal just asked Eagle what if she loses to Corbyn? Her answer was that you have to accept the democratic process. But she's challenging because she hasn't accepted the previous democratic process.

Completely illogical!!!!!
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfie

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« Reply #423 on: July 10, 2016, 09:24:41 PM »
What a lot of assumptions!

1. That the PLP believe JC can't win an election.
Maybe they're afraid he will!

2. That a party in opposition can't affect policy.
Farage managed it from outside Parliament!

3. That the Tories will run roughshod over the country.
Corbyn offers the clearest alternative, unlike the PLP before who seemed very similar to the Tories.

Finally, they are rejecting democracy which put them where they are. If they expect the electorate to shut up and accept election results so should they.
Why on earth would labour MPs be afraid that labour might win at the next general election?

Alfie

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« Reply #424 on: July 10, 2016, 09:27:26 PM »
Andrew Neal just asked Eagle what if she loses to Corbyn? Her answer was that you have to accept the democratic process. But she's challenging because she hasn't accepted the previous democratic process.

Completely illogical!!!!!
Do you believe that leadership challenges are undemocratic?

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« Reply #425 on: July 10, 2016, 09:51:09 PM »
Why on earth would labour MPs be afraid that labour might win at the next general election?

Afraid thet they would win with Corbyn as Leader. The poor things might have to enact some socialist policies. Difficult for closet Tories.  @)(++(*
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfie

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« Reply #426 on: July 10, 2016, 10:36:54 PM »
Afraid thet they would win with Corbyn as Leader. The poor things might have to enact some socialist policies. Difficult for closet Tories.  @)(++(*
What utter rubbish.    In what way do you think Angela Eagle is ideologically similar to Andrea Leadsom?

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« Reply #427 on: July 11, 2016, 08:13:36 AM »
What utter rubbish.    In what way do you think Angela Eagle is ideologically similar to Andrea Leadsom?

I judge by actions, not words.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #428 on: July 11, 2016, 10:12:41 AM »
I judge by actions, not words.
That's not true though is it?  As we have seen time and again by your judgements on other matters, based on what people have said or written.  If you think Angela Eagle is a closet Tory, perhaps you could point to those actions of hers (eg her voting record) which lead you to that conclusion.

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« Reply #429 on: July 11, 2016, 11:25:19 AM »
That's not true though is it?  As we have seen time and again by your judgements on other matters, based on what people have said or written.  If you think Angela Eagle is a closet Tory, perhaps you could point to those actions of hers (eg her voting record) which lead you to that conclusion.

I'm just giving my opinion like others do. Why should I provide cites? No-one else bothers.

Animal Farm:
and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfie

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« Reply #430 on: July 11, 2016, 12:11:22 PM »
I'm just giving my opinion like others do. Why should I provide cites? No-one else bothers.

Animal Farm:
and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
So, you can give no sensible or logical reason why Labour MPs would be afraid that their OWN party would win a general election, it's just your own (rather illogical) opinion.  OK, thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #431 on: July 11, 2016, 02:35:20 PM »
By launching this mess in the aftermath of a very important referendum Labour MP's have shown their complete lack of judgement and timing. The Remain vote was not dependent on Labour voters; only the Tory voters could have kept the UK in the EU;
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/dont-blame-jeremy-corbyn-polls-show-only-tory-voters-could-have-kept-us-eu

While their Leader travelled the country gathering votes for Remain they were busy plotting to overthrow him. On what grounds? A majority of Labour voters did vote for Remain, so it wasn't that.

If they had united behind their Leader they were in a very good position with the Tories in disarray. They threw that chance away.

Should 172 Members of Parliament be allowed to overturn a democratic vote by 251,417 Party members?

 As she is now likely to face a vote of no confidence from her constituency how can Angela Eagle stand as a leadership candidate? She could face deselection shortly.



No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #432 on: July 11, 2016, 03:43:34 PM »
By launching this mess in the aftermath of a very important referendum Labour MP's have shown their complete lack of judgement and timing. The Remain vote was not dependent on Labour voters; only the Tory voters could have kept the UK in the EU;
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/dont-blame-jeremy-corbyn-polls-show-only-tory-voters-could-have-kept-us-eu

While their Leader travelled the country gathering votes for Remain they were busy plotting to overthrow him. On what grounds? A majority of Labour voters did vote for Remain, so it wasn't that.

If they had united behind their Leader they were in a very good position with the Tories in disarray. They threw that chance away.

Should 172 Members of Parliament be allowed to overturn a democratic vote by 251,417 Party members?

 As she is now likely to face a vote of no confidence from her constituency how can Angela Eagle stand as a leadership candidate? She could face deselection shortly.
They should be allowed to hold a vote of no confidence in their leader and mount a leadership challenge shouldn't they?  Or is that undemocratic in your view?

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« Reply #433 on: July 11, 2016, 04:27:37 PM »
They should be allowed to hold a vote of no confidence in their leader and mount a leadership challenge shouldn't they?  Or is that undemocratic in your view?

Votes of no confidence are a feature of the UK system of government and are usually aimed at the presiding government by the House of Commons. If the vote succeeds a General Election is called. The government then has a new mandate from the people or a new government is elected.

It's a new departure as far as I can discover to have such a vote in order to dislodge a Party Leader.

If MP's are unhappy with the Leader of their Party the usual response is to mount a challenge.

It would seem that the MP's took this step purely because they were unsure of winning a Leadership Election. The hope was to force a resignation.

The democratic route was to mount a leadership challenge and have a fair fight. These MP's acted as they did because they hoped to avoid that. Now the sole candidate at the moment is on very shaky ground as she is facing her own problems. She could win the vote and then be deselected as an MP. P**s ups and Breweries come to mind.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #434 on: July 11, 2016, 04:59:02 PM »
Votes of no confidence are a feature of the UK system of government and are usually aimed at the presiding government by the House of Commons. If the vote succeeds a General Election is called. The government then has a new mandate from the people or a new government is elected.

It's a new departure as far as I can discover to have such a vote in order to dislodge a Party Leader.

If MP's are unhappy with the Leader of their Party the usual response is to mount a challenge.

It would seem that the MP's took this step purely because they were unsure of winning a Leadership Election. The hope was to force a resignation.

The democratic route was to mount a leadership challenge and have a fair fight. These MP's acted as they did because they hoped to avoid that. Now the sole candidate at the moment is on very shaky ground as she is facing her own problems. She could win the vote and then be deselected as an MP. P**s ups and Breweries come to mind.
The party will be destroyed as I predicted it would be when Corbyn was elected many months ago.  It's very sad indeed.  He will have to go when Labour flops at the next GE of course, but what a waste of time it will all have been.