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Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #555 on: August 11, 2016, 08:27:10 AM »
There are all sorts of fringe, extremist parties for the GBP to vote for in elections, the Labour Party will soon be able to count itself as one.  But which party will step up to the plate as a credible alternative to the Tories?  If UKIP were able to organise a piss up in a brewery this would be their big opportunity, especially when the Tories fail to deliver the Brexit all the Leavers were dreaming of...

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #556 on: August 11, 2016, 09:00:56 AM »
Yes, Corbyn is a threat - to his own party and to those who don't relish another generation of Tory rule.  Do you REALLY believe I am the only ordinary voter who thinks Corbyn is a complete disaster for his party, and for the concept of democracy in this country generally?  Get real.

I don't know what your 'concept of democracy' is, please explain.

Corbyn. like Brexit, is the product of a truly democratic election.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #557 on: August 11, 2016, 10:01:13 AM »
Seems the great British unions are starting to desert Corby in favour of the also ran.  As predicted of course.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #558 on: August 11, 2016, 10:47:08 AM »
There are all sorts of fringe, extremist parties for the GBP to vote for in elections, the Labour Party will soon be able to count itself as one.  But which party will step up to the plate as a credible alternative to the Tories?  If UKIP were able to organise a piss up in a brewery this would be their big opportunity, especially when the Tories fail to deliver the Brexit all the Leavers were dreaming of...

Ultimately the Labour Party.
Look at British Party Politics since 1940.
Random examples:
David Steele Liberal-SDP Alliance "Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government!" Margaret had other ideas.
The Labour Party under Foot and Kinnock was unelectable.
The Tory Party under Ian "The Quietman" Duncan-Smith and William "The Drayman" Hague was unelectable.
But we keep coming back to the same old pair of parties eventually who will continue to do the same old things............like financing sacred cows we cannot afford at the expense of things we need.

"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #559 on: August 11, 2016, 10:52:06 AM »
I don't know what your 'concept of democracy' is, please explain.

Corbyn. like Brexit, is the product of a truly democratic election.

Steady on old stick you can't have the oiks taking over............ 8(0(*
The Grauniad Readers and Old Guard will not be in favour of that.
It's only the top two layers that are allowed to change in any revolution............. ?{)(**   
The peasant must always be the peasant and the secret policeman is always the secret police man
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #560 on: August 11, 2016, 12:35:07 PM »
Jeremy Corbyn has far too many skeletons in his cupboard to ever be taken seriously as a contender for PM of this country.  I fear he has missed his calling by about 25 years.

Jeremy Corbyn spent much of the 1980s speaking at Troops Out rallies. Given the choice between standing with Irish nationalists in the SDLP or Irish republicans in Sinn Fein and the IRA, Jeremy Corbyn chose the latter path. Perhaps someone will now ask him why. Perhaps they’ll ask him why he’s been happy to ‘honour’ IRA members shot by the British Army but disinclined to shed too many tears for those murdered by the IRA.

www.blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/the-labour-party-is-now-led-by-people-who-wanted-the-ira-to-win/
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De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #561 on: August 11, 2016, 02:06:11 PM »
I don't know what your 'concept of democracy' is, please explain.

Corbyn. like Brexit, is the product of a truly democratic election.
I don't recall having to pay any money in order to vote in the referendum, but that's by the by.  My concept of democracy is one in which there is one (if not more) alternative(s) to the present government, that stands a realistic chance of being elected.  The way things are shaping up within the Labour Party with a split almost inevitable it seems to me that we are looking at a one party Tory state for the next god knows how many years. You and Corbyn and his supporters don't seem to think that winning an election is important - I find that quite flabbergasting tbh.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #562 on: August 11, 2016, 02:07:07 PM »
Jeremy Corbyn has far too many skeletons in his cupboard to ever be taken seriously as a contender for PM of this country.  I fear he has missed his calling by about 25 years.

Jeremy Corbyn spent much of the 1980s speaking at Troops Out rallies. Given the choice between standing with Irish nationalists in the SDLP or Irish republicans in Sinn Fein and the IRA, Jeremy Corbyn chose the latter path. Perhaps someone will now ask him why. Perhaps they’ll ask him why he’s been happy to ‘honour’ IRA members shot by the British Army but disinclined to shed too many tears for those murdered by the IRA.

www.blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/the-labour-party-is-now-led-by-people-who-wanted-the-ira-to-win/

The Labour Party has another four years to make itself electable. I don't see Theresa May calling a general election when she has no reason to until 2020.
And like "yer darlin' bleedin' Harold" said a week is a long time in politics so what does that make 200 weeks?
As for the Irish bit that's too complex for words................but Bertie Ahern solved the problem  ?{)(**
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #563 on: August 11, 2016, 02:12:15 PM »
The Labour Party can make itself electable by ditching Grandpa in a shell suit for starters.  The country wants a government that will lead them out of the EU and make this country even more prosperous and successful than it is already - is the man for that job Jeremy Corbyn?  Seriously??

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #564 on: August 11, 2016, 03:36:11 PM »
I don't recall having to pay any money in order to vote in the referendum, but that's by the by.  My concept of democracy is one in which there is one (if not more) alternative(s) to the present government, that stands a realistic chance of being elected.  The way things are shaping up within the Labour Party with a split almost inevitable it seems to me that we are looking at a one party Tory state for the next god knows how many years. You and Corbyn and his supporters don't seem to think that winning an election is important - I find that quite flabbergasting tbh.

The referendum was a national ballot open to all those eligible. The leader of the Labour Party was chosen by a ballot of members. Whenever you join something you pay, be it a Golf Club, a Trade Union, a Social Club or any UK political Party.

That's not a 'concept of democracy' you're discussing. Such a discussion would involve defining what you think democracy is. Your starting point seems to be the representative democracy we have in the UK with a party system and first past the post result. Then you're back to your opinion of 'what happens next'.

At this moment, due to the behaviour of Labour MP's, the party is having to go through a period of massive change. Instead of doing what they were elected to do [form a government or opposition] they are having to decide what kind of party they want to be in the future. They will either return to a centrist stance or they will return to the democratic socialists they were founded as. Once that's settled the winners can address the question of general elections. Until we know which faction will end up in charge it's too early to forecast their electability imo.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #565 on: August 11, 2016, 03:42:37 PM »
The Labour Party can make itself electable by ditching Grandpa in a shell suit for starters.  The country wants a government that will lead them out of the EU and make this country even more prosperous and successful than it is already - is the man for that job Jeremy Corbyn?  Seriously??

It is for the electorate to decide who they want. It is unlikely Theresa May will call a General Election before 2020 so it's all a bit of a fruitless discussion until it is known who will be the leader of the Labour at that time.
Currently Mr Corbyn is leader of the Labour Party elected to that position in accordance with the Labour Party's own rules. Although I see some brief is trying to argue, in court, that Labour's N.E.C can change the rules any time it likes without reference to anyone else, particularly the courts. Nice one.
Mr Corbyn's competence is irrelevant to the process of his election as leader. His removal must be in accordance with the same rules. That's why the P.L.P are having ring twitter but probably more for reasons of it affecting their income potential rather than reasons of altruism or patriotism.
PS I am not a Jeremy Corbyn fan. I am more in favour of the Ottoman Empire style of running a show.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Joanne

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #566 on: August 11, 2016, 04:40:36 PM »
Jeremy Corbyn reminds me of what I'd expect a committee member of a social club to look like, I can't work him out, I've never heard any of his policies and they'd have been better off leaving Ed Milliband insitu.

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #567 on: August 11, 2016, 06:20:12 PM »
The referendum was a national ballot open to all those eligible. The leader of the Labour Party was chosen by a ballot of members. Whenever you join something you pay, be it a Golf Club, a Trade Union, a Social Club or any UK political Party.

That's not a 'concept of democracy' you're discussing. Such a discussion would involve defining what you think democracy is. Your starting point seems to be the representative democracy we have in the UK with a party system and first past the post result. Then you're back to your opinion of 'what happens next'.

At this moment, due to the behaviour of Labour MP's, the party is having to go through a period of massive change. Instead of doing what they were elected to do [form a government or opposition] they are having to decide what kind of party they want to be in the future. They will either return to a centrist stance or they will return to the democratic socialists they were founded as. Once that's settled the winners can address the question of general elections. Until we know which faction will end up in charge it's too early to forecast their electability imo.
Is it any wonder?  Labour MPs stood for election for the party they felt best represented their views, and now find they have a leader who has consistently voted against his own party for the last 30 years or more!  How can you blame them for the state the party is in at the moment?!  And yet, it's not simply a case of an ideological shift to the left which these MPs have had to deal with - many accepted this and were happy to give Jeremy a chance as leader but he has turned out to be completely inept in this role.  That is why so many have voted "no confidence" in him.  His adoring fans don't see this ineptitude as in any way a drawback to their party leadership - unbelievable, truly. 

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #568 on: August 11, 2016, 06:22:09 PM »
Jeremy Corbyn reminds me of what I'd expect a committee member of a social club to look like, I can't work him out, I've never heard any of his policies and they'd have been better off leaving Ed Milliband insitu.
I'm still waiting to hear a coherent explanation of the current Labour Party's position on Brexit - Jeremy has recently pontificated on the subject but I am still none the wiser.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #569 on: August 11, 2016, 07:08:43 PM »
Jeremy Corbyn reminds me of what I'd expect a committee member of a social club to look like, I can't work him out, I've never heard any of his policies and they'd have been better off leaving Ed Milliband insitu.

Perhaps people have decided to stop voting for snake oil salesmen? Here are his pledges, hover over them for more details;

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/10_pledges
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.