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Offline mercury

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #600 on: August 13, 2016, 12:31:29 AM »
A very pertinent question in there ... "what is happening to the Labour Party now?"  Soon perhaps to be transferred into ... "what will happen to the Labour Party under an entryist ideology?"
It may well be worth considering that.
It may well be worth considering what a  disgusting shambles cameron and his predecessors made and who can reverse it all

 8((()*/

Offline mercury

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #601 on: August 13, 2016, 12:34:41 AM »
....and how many people are there who want something different ?

i.e. a return to the good old days of the 70's ? 8)--))

Stephen, times move on, the labour party will have learnt from any mistakes, sadly the tories never do thats why were in this mess now

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #602 on: August 13, 2016, 08:32:45 AM »
What a topsy turvy world we inhabit on this forum, one in which it is the Tories who are in a mess, and not the Labour Party!!  One in which we can casually ignore polls and believe that the country is simple gagging to vote Jeremy in as PM.   *&*%

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #603 on: August 13, 2016, 09:35:52 AM »
The Conservative and Unionist Party have to extricate themselves from the mire they created by having two long running factions, one of which is in favour of remaining in the EU the other is not. Does anyone seriously believe these factions have suddenly disappeared and everyone is of single accord ? Watch this space when the recess is over.
Mr Cameron offered a referendum more to stuff a bun in the mouth of one faction and to divest himself of another monkey that was on his back than for any other reason. It didn't pan out except for divesting himself of one monkey.

Next General Election due 2020 it is pointless talking about Mr Corbyn's merit as a PM until we know he is a contender *. Or more importantly what the world looks like in 2020.
Unless this is a proxy war of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz6YMrJt7xk

p.s as for opposition, like her or loathe her Ms Sturgeon will rally her troops well enough to provide an effective opposition. She will make plenty of bullets for Mr Robertson to fire I am sure... ?{)(**
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". .Sarah Bailey

stephen25000

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #604 on: August 13, 2016, 09:36:15 AM »
Stephen, times move on, the labour party will have learnt from any mistakes, sadly the tories never do thats why were in this mess now

Sorry Mercury, it is Labour who are in a mess, and that is self evident.

As to the Tories, let's see what happens over Brexit.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #605 on: August 13, 2016, 10:26:16 AM »
In  2010 Cameron portrayed himself as a one nation Tory but ever since the poor have been consistently attacked. May has also claimed to be a one nation Tory. Time will tell.

Corbyn is a democratic socialist and his stated aim is to improve the lot of the poor and the working class. If the Tories continue to attack them Corbyn will become a realistic alternative. The only ones with reason to fear him are the rich.

The working class, by the way, I define as anyone who relies on wages to live.
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #606 on: August 13, 2016, 12:11:28 PM »
In  2010 Cameron portrayed himself as a one nation Tory but ever since the poor have been consistently attacked. May has also claimed to be a one nation Tory. Time will tell.

Corbyn is a democratic socialist and his stated aim is to improve the lot of the poor and the working class. If the Tories continue to attack them Corbyn will become a realistic alternative. The only ones with reason to fear him are the rich.

The working class, by the way, I define as anyone who relies on wages to live.

I could not agree more. Either you have to work for your corn or you don't.
Sod all this A,B,C1,C2, D and E nonsense!  'twas on a Monday morning when the gas man came to call.......It all makes work for a sociologist to do.
Teach the buggers[ sociologists] how to operate CNC machine tools and be of use to the community instead of compiling lists only they do anything with.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #607 on: August 13, 2016, 12:30:52 PM »
In  2010 Cameron portrayed himself as a one nation Tory but ever since the poor have been consistently attacked. May has also claimed to be a one nation Tory. Time will tell.

Corbyn is a democratic socialist and his stated aim is to improve the lot of the poor and the working class. If the Tories continue to attack them Corbyn will become a realistic alternative. The only ones with reason to fear him are the rich.

The working class, by the way, I define as anyone who relies on wages to live.

Sadly G  this is his personal stated aim, and a very admiral quality it is,However, he requires others to implement this new 3rd way thinking, as long as we have corruption, greed, party politics,  self centred lobbyists, fat cat unions- it will stay a personal admiral quality. It will also be interesting who is defined as 'poor' and how much the working class have to pay tax for these 'poor' The working classes are paying for those better off then thmselves in some cases!

" The only ones with reason to fear him are the rich".  who will move themselves and their money abroad-leaving the working classes to pick up the tabs! There is nothing fair about socialism they belive in'positive' discrimination and implement it and support it. ask any token 'black, disabled, asian,women, who have been given a job just because they are the token black, disabled, asian, woman not because they are the best person for the job. It does not redress th balance of negative decrimination at all it is...discrimination in another frock.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #608 on: August 13, 2016, 12:57:20 PM »
Sadly G  this is his personal stated aim, and a very admiral quality it is,However, he requires others to implement this new 3rd way thinking, as long as we have corruption, greed, party politics,  self centred lobbyists, fat cat unions- it will stay a personal admiral quality. It will also be interesting who is defined as 'poor' and how much the working class have to pay tax for these 'poor' The working classes are paying for those better off then thmselves in some cases!

" The only ones with reason to fear him are the rich".  who will move themselves and their money abroad-leaving the working classes to pick up the tabs! There is nothing fair about socialism they belive in'positive' discrimination and implement it and support it. ask any token 'black, disabled, asian,women, who have been given a job just because they are the token black, disabled, asian, woman not because they are the best person for the job. It does not redress th balance of negative decrimination at all it is...discrimination in another frock.

Wait until the general population find out what IDS really did with Disability Living Allowance when he morphed it into the Personal Independence Payment............ when you have worked it out there are no prizes for guessing why..... @)(++(* except it is not really funny.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". .Sarah Bailey

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #609 on: August 13, 2016, 01:46:31 PM »
In  2010 Cameron portrayed himself as a one nation Tory but ever since the poor have been consistently attacked. May has also claimed to be a one nation Tory. Time will tell.

Corbyn is a democratic socialist and his stated aim is to improve the lot of the poor and the working class. If the Tories continue to attack them Corbyn will become a realistic alternative. The only ones with reason to fear him are the rich.

The working class, by the way, I define as anyone who relies on wages to live.
What do you call those who don't receive wages and who rely on state support to live?  According to your definition I am working class but don't see how Jeremy is going to improve my lot as he will no doubt be anxious to put my taxes up!

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #610 on: August 13, 2016, 01:54:40 PM »
Interesting comment on the Guardian website today:

"How on earth can anyone in their right mind vote for a Party whose members cannot agree amongst themselves HOW a leader is to be elected, let alone WHO??? This whole episode will be a disaster not only for the Labour Party, but for the whole country. Like it or not, Labour are the ONLY party which could provide effective opposition in Parliament, if it could get its act together. Currently it provides no viable opposition or potential government. Also, I still believe that the Sturgeon/Salmond axis in Scotland could still lead to a further referendum to enable Scotland to join the EU after Brexit. I also believe that whilst it would be a close run thing, the vote would be a narrow victory for the separatists. If this were to happen, the opposition benches would lose 56 seats, bestowing a disastrous majority on the Tories of over 60 seats, and consigning Labour to oblivion"

Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #611 on: August 13, 2016, 02:33:04 PM »
The Guardian in its wisdom has spoke and Pollyanna rides again. Where is Keith Waterhouse when we really need him ?.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". .Sarah Bailey

Offline G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #612 on: August 13, 2016, 02:46:05 PM »
What do you call those who don't receive wages and who rely on state support to live?  According to your definition I am working class but don't see how Jeremy is going to improve my lot as he will no doubt be anxious to put my taxes up!

Anyone on benefits is working class, otherwise they wouldn't need benefits. He is planning a 1% rise in Corporation Tax if you pay that, and a return to the 50p higher tax rate if you are on PAYE.

Benefit payments will be reduced by a return to full employment. I remember that - you could quit a job in the morning and start a new one in the afternoon. Unskilled workers didn't need a CV or have to jump through hoops convincing employers that they were team players with their only aim in life being to serve people in a fast food outlet. More council houses will stop private landlords lining their pockets with housing benefit; they charge double what councils charge and don't provide safe housing. 40% of flats being let out by these landlords are ex-council.

Someone needs to address the growth of sub standard multiple occupancy housing where strangers[often immigrants] are living two to a room or sleeping in cellars. There are terrible problems being faced by the 999 service, the police and ambulance services. They are having to deal with lack of interpreters and being the first call for mental health problems, time wasters, illegal immigrants and alcoholics. I've seen some terribly sad programmes highlighting these problems;

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/999-whats-your-emergency
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #613 on: August 13, 2016, 06:03:30 PM »
Anyone on benefits is working class, otherwise they wouldn't need benefits. He is planning a 1% rise in Corporation Tax if you pay that, and a return to the 50p higher tax rate if you are on PAYE.

Benefit payments will be reduced by a return to full employment. I remember that - you could quit a job in the morning and start a new one in the afternoon. Unskilled workers didn't need a CV or have to jump through hoops convincing employers that they were team players with their only aim in life being to serve people in a fast food outlet. More council houses will stop private landlords lining their pockets with housing benefit; they charge double what councils charge and don't provide safe housing. 40% of flats being let out by these landlords are ex-council.

Someone needs to address the growth of sub standard multiple occupancy housing where strangers[often immigrants] are living two to a room or sleeping in cellars. There are terrible problems being faced by the 999 service, the police and ambulance services. They are having to deal with lack of interpreters and being the first call for mental health problems, time wasters, illegal immigrants and alcoholics. I've seen some terribly sad programmes highlighting these problems;

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/999-whats-your-emergency
Absolute tosh that anyone on benefits is working class - your definitions need some work methinks.   YesJeremy's higher taxes will certainly effect me, and a significant percentage of the population.  If they did a referendum on whether or not to raise taxes I doubt there would be a majority "yes" vote. 

How is Jeremy planning to create full employment?  Force people to take jobs they don't want to do?

Alfie

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #614 on: August 13, 2016, 06:14:30 PM »
Anyone on benefits is working class, otherwise they wouldn't need benefits. He is planning a 1% rise in Corporation Tax if you pay that, and a return to the 50p higher tax rate if you are on PAYE.

Benefit payments will be reduced by a return to full employment. I remember that - you could quit a job in the morning and start a new one in the afternoon. Unskilled workers didn't need a CV or have to jump through hoops convincing employers that they were team players with their only aim in life being to serve people in a fast food outlet. More council houses will stop private landlords lining their pockets with housing benefit; they charge double what councils charge and don't provide safe housing. 40% of flats being let out by these landlords are ex-council.

Someone needs to address the growth of sub standard multiple occupancy housing where strangers[often immigrants] are living two to a room or sleeping in cellars. There are terrible problems being faced by the 999 service, the police and ambulance services. They are having to deal with lack of interpreters and being the first call for mental health problems, time wasters, illegal immigrants and alcoholics. I've seen some terribly sad programmes highlighting these problems;


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/999-whats-your-emergency
Brexit will solve this - send 'em all home! 8(0(*