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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #765 on: January 18, 2019, 08:03:33 PM »
They may rise in the sectors which are competing for scarcer workers. In 2015 EU ctizens worked in; (most popular first)

Households. (as nannies and au pairs)
Accomodation and food. (hotels and restaurants)
Admin and Manufacturing
Transport
Construction

Most EU unskilled workers are working for private households, hotels ans restaurants. Rising prices in those sectors are unlikely to impact on the poor.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41176699
Oh.  What about all the low skilled jobs in the food and farming industry that Brits aren’t interested in doing?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #766 on: January 18, 2019, 08:10:12 PM »
Oh look:

“The area that relies on EEA workers the most is food and drink manufacturing - they accounted for about one quarter of staff in 2016”

So if wages rise in this sector this won’t affect prices you dont think?
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #767 on: January 18, 2019, 08:47:09 PM »
“Modelling potential economic impacts of Brexit

We need to understand how the potential long-term effects of Brexit could affect people living on low incomes. JRF has been working with Cambridge Econometrics to model the impact of a new UK-EU relationship based on a range of potential scenarios. These range from the ‘Norway’ model (staying in the single market) through to a no deal relationship.

The evidence suggests that an increasingly distant trading relationship with the EU will mean higher non-tariff barriers, lower net migration, lower inward investment, and – in a no deal scenario – tariffs for EU-UK trade.

Introducing new costs for trade with our primary trading partner inevitably leads to lower trade and economic output – which would affect prices, employment, and real wages. The modelling suggests that by 2030 the average low-income household would need to find an additional £480 per year to maintain the same standard of living (in 2016/17 prices) due to price inflation caused by Brexit under a no deal scenario.

Effect on poverty

So, what would this mean for poverty in the UK? Our analysis finds that wages aren’t likely to rise by enough to offset the effects of inflation, so real wages will fall which will be felt by people across the income spectrum.

In addition to wages, for many low-income households benefits and tax credits are vital for maintaining a decent standard of living, as they are already stuck on low pay that doesn’t allow them to cover their costs. How badly they are hit by rising prices will depend on whether the Government chooses to raise benefits and tax credits to match inflation.

If the Government uprated all benefits and tax credits in line with inflation – in contrast to its current policy where they are frozen – we find that poverty would, if anything, be lower because low-income households would be more protected against rising inflation than higher-income households. If the Government does not do this, it will leave low-income households falling further behind, with incomes shrinking as costs rise, leading to higher numbers of families trapped in poverty”.
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Online G-Unit

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #768 on: January 18, 2019, 09:35:46 PM »
Oh.  What about all the low skilled jobs in the food and farming industry that Brits aren’t interested in doing?

The jobs WE ARE TOLD that Brits aren't interested in doing.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #769 on: January 18, 2019, 09:43:33 PM »
The jobs WE ARE TOLD that Brits aren't interested in doing.
Oh?  You don’t think it’s true then?  You think EU workers came over here and stole jobs from British workers desperate to pull carrots out of the Lincolnshire soil is that it?
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Sunny

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #770 on: January 18, 2019, 10:00:02 PM »
Oh look:

“The area that relies on EEA workers the most is food and drink manufacturing - they accounted for about one quarter of staff in 2016”

So if wages rise in this sector this won’t affect prices you dont think?

I understand if wages for some will rise then their disposable income will also rise so those who receive any pay rise will spend more of this on goods and services, hopefully locally.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #771 on: January 18, 2019, 10:17:50 PM »
I understand if wages for some will rise then their disposable income will also rise so those who receive any pay rise will spend more of this on goods and services, hopefully locally.
My understanding is if farmers (or any employer in the food industry) has to pay higher wages to get fruit and veg harvested or food processed in abbatoirs and factories then there are two risks: one going bust, two putting up cost prices.  Of course once trade deals have been done which won’t happen immediately we could be flooded with cheap low quality imports from the USA for example which again threatens local production and puts low quality food into the food chain which does nothing for the health of those who are living in poverty.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #772 on: January 18, 2019, 10:59:13 PM »
Oh?  You don’t think it’s true then?  You think EU workers came over here and stole jobs from British workers desperate to pull carrots out of the Lincolnshire soil is that it?

Oh yes! and the new look European carrot puller looks rather like this:
https://www.grimme.com/uk/producttypes/selbstfahrende-erntetechnik-kartoffel/varitron-470


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Offline Vertigo Swirl

"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #774 on: February 12, 2019, 07:16:26 AM »

“Theresa May would win a working majority if a general election were held today, according to YouGov modelling for The Times that correctly predicted the 2017 hung parliament.

Labour is pushing for a general election but the new research suggests that this would backfire, with Jeremy Corbyn’s party losing 12 seats and the Tories gaining four”.

Time for Jeremy and his Marxist pals to wake up and smell the coffee...
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Sunny

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #775 on: February 12, 2019, 01:15:25 PM »
“Theresa May would win a working majority if a general election were held today, according to YouGov modelling for The Times that correctly predicted the 2017 hung parliament.

Labour is pushing for a general election but the new research suggests that this would backfire, with Jeremy Corbyn’s party losing 12 seats and the Tories gaining four”.

Time for Jeremy and his Marxist pals to wake up and smell the coffee...

I agree. Jeremy is the best thing to have happened to the Tories for years and I am not a Tory voter.
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Offline Carana

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #776 on: February 12, 2019, 04:19:43 PM »
I agree. Jeremy is the best thing to have happened to the Tories for years and I am not a Tory voter.

Really?

I find him to be on some kind of far-left cloud. No better than those on their far-right clouds.

I'd prefer the moderates of both Lab and Con, and Lib Dems, to get together and just work out something that may not be perfect, but will steer the UK away from the imminent iceberg.

This mess is costing a fortune.

The vulnerable won't end up better protected if those who contribute to supporting their needs can't pay into the system because they themselves don't have jobs or businesses any more.



Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #777 on: February 12, 2019, 06:33:06 PM »
I agree. Jeremy is the best thing to have happened to the Tories for years and I am not a Tory voter.
He’s effectively turned this country into a one party state, just not the one party he was hoping for.
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Carana

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #778 on: February 14, 2019, 10:35:23 AM »
My understanding is if farmers (or any employer in the food industry) has to pay higher wages to get fruit and veg harvested or food processed in abbatoirs and factories then there are two risks: one going bust, two putting up cost prices.  Of course once trade deals have been done which won’t happen immediately we could be flooded with cheap low quality imports from the USA for example which again threatens local production and puts low quality food into the food chain which does nothing for the health of those who are living in poverty.

Yes, and that could be a trade-off depending on what the UK wanted to be able to export. I posted a list of US demands recently. From memory, lowering phytosanitary standards; food labelling standards, e.g. on additives; uncapping prices on pharmaceuticals... Long list. 

Offline Carana

Re: Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!
« Reply #779 on: February 14, 2019, 02:34:37 PM »
Wrong thread. Sorry...
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