Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.

[Eleanor]

I didn't think anyone in this saga was required to prove their innocence. Isn't it up to law enforcement to prove guilt? If you know you are innocent and the child is yours why should you have to prove it?

You just do.  This much is obvious.

[sadie]

I didn't think anyone in this saga was required to prove their innocence. Isn't it up to law enforcement to prove guilt? If you know you are innocent and the child is yours why should you have to prove it?

Any normal person would want to help with the search for a missing child

Common Decency.

[G-Unit]

Any normal person would want to help with the search for a missing child

Common Decency.

I'm not saying that they wouldn't. I'm saying that if someone has a child and someone else suggests that child is Madeleine it is a bit much to expect the child's parents to prove it by having a DNA test done. There are other ways. 

[Eleanor]

I'm not saying that they wouldn't. I'm saying that if someone has a child and someone else suggests that child is Madeleine it is a bit much to expect the child's parents to prove it by having a DNA test done. There are other ways.

Definitely? No there aren't other ways. 

[Carew]

A quick check to ascertain whether or not the child is wearing one of those contact lenses to disguise the coloboma (or fleck) which Sadie mentioned ?

That`s one way.

[Alfred R Jones]

A quick check to ascertain whether or not the child is wearing one of those contact lenses to disguise the coloboma (or fleck) which Sadie mentioned ?

That`s one way.

How would you check that without the parent's consent?

[G-Unit]

Definitely? No there aren't other ways. 

I would have been very upset if someone had accused me of having someone else's child. I would have produced their birth certificate and any other proofs I had. I would have then been insulted if the police insisted on DNA testing of my child because they would be insinuating that I was lying. I am innocent until proved guilty, not guilty until proved innocent, as you and others constantly cry on here in relation to the McCanns!

[Carew]

How would you check that without the parent's consent?

A child of around 11 might talk about her life..........have shared information about all sorts of things don`t you think?

[Alfred R Jones]

A child of around 11 might talk about her life..........have shared information about all sorts of things don`t you think?

Not with investigators without her parents permission I wouldn't have thought.

[Carew]

Not with investigators without her parents permission I wouldn't have thought.

Well......I just feel it`s unlikely anyway that a child could reach the age of 11 either with her coloboma/fleck on view or with the outside intervention necessary to enable its disguise with a lens , without it being detected by this time.

Wouldn`t it necessitate medical or ophthalmic assistance?

If kept somewhere in isolation, she wouldn`t be spotted in the first place to be challenged or disguised, surely.

[sadie]

A quick check to ascertain whether or not the child is wearing one of those contact lenses to disguise the coloboma (or fleck) which Sadie mentioned ?

That`s one way.

And you think that it is better to mess with her eyes rather than take a quick mouth swab, a spot of blood, or a hair/ nail clipping?

[Carew]

And you think that it is better to mess with her eyes rather than take a quick mouth swab, a spot of blood, or a hair/ nail clipping?

That`s not really what was said..........At or by the age of 11 it is likely that any intervention needed to disguise an eye would be known already by the child herself and others in her life.

No need to "mess" with anything.

[Mr Gray]

I would have been very upset if someone had accused me of having someone else's child. I would have produced their birth certificate and any other proofs I had. I would have then been insulted if the police insisted on DNA testing of my child because they would be insinuating that I was lying. I am innocent until proved guilty, not guilty until proved innocent, as you and others constantly cry on here in relation to the McCanns!

you are indeed innocent until proved guilty and by the sounds of things  you would tell the police where to go if they accused you of a serious crime and you were innocent...

[Alfred R Jones]

That`s not really what was said..........At or by the age of 11 it is likely that any intervention needed to disguise an eye would be known already by the child herself and others in her life.

No need to "mess" with anything.

If the child is told that the lens is to correct a defect rather than disguise it would that make a difference do you think? 

[sadie]

That`s not really what was said..........At or by the age of 11 it is likely that any intervention needed to disguise an eye would be known already by the child herself and others in her life.

No need to "mess" with anything.

What if the ......... [nastys] had told her that they had rescued her from her "evil" Mum and Dad who were going to really hurt / kill her cos they didn't want her?  She could have been told any psychological lies like Mum and Dad loved A and S better than her.  They didn't want her any more. 

Then maybe she would hide her added lens ?

Preferring not to tell anyone about her added eye lens cos her "evil" Mum nad Dad would get her back and hurt her ?