Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.

[Benice]

Would you leave children exposed to unnecessary danger ?

Not if I believed I was exposing them to unnecessary danger - but then I wouldn't let them out of my sight day or night if I took into account all the potential dangers which exist - including sitting with them all  night in case of cot death.

No-one can guard against every eventuality of danger.  If they could there would no kids in A&E at any time.  And no-one is immune from making human errors.  There are no perfect parents.

The possibility of abduction is so rare it  is not a usual danger to consider when making out one's holiday 'to do' list.

I agree with the AG who said:

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The parents could not foresee that in the resort that they chose to spend a brief holiday, they could place the life of any of their children in danger.....

nor was that demanded from them: it was located in a peaceful area, where most of the residents are foreign citizens of the same nationality and without any known history of this type of criminality.

The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating.......

nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.
Unquote

[stephen25000]

Not if I believed I was exposing them to unnecessary danger - but then I wouldn't let them out of my sight day or night if I took into account all the potential dangers which exist - including sitting with them all  night in case of cot death.

No-one can guard against every eventuality of danger.  If they could there would no kids in A&E at any time.  And no-one is immune from making human errors.  There are no perfect parents.

The possibility of abduction is so rare it  is not a usual danger to consider when making out one's holiday 'to do' list.



I agree with the AG who said:

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The parents could not foresee that in the resort that they chose to spend a brief holiday, they could place the life of any of their children in danger.....

nor was that demanded from them: it was located in a peaceful area, where most of the residents are foreign citizens of the same nationality and without any known history of this type of criminality.

The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating.......

nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.
Unquote

They were in a country they did not know and with a language thet did not speak, and they left their children repeatedly in a precarious and unsafe situation.

Hindsight is one thing.

Commonsense is another.

[Mr Gray]

has anyone raised any objections to DNA testing in the Needham case......

[jassi]

Have they found anyone to test yet?  If they do, he might object.

[Mr Gray]

Have they found anyone to test yet?  If they do, he might object.

yes they have and the test was negative...

[Alice Purjorick]

Have they found anyone to test yet?  If they do, he might object.

Didn't some geezer show up twice over the years.
It wasn't positive the first time; I don't know about the second time  &%+((£

[pathfinder73]

They could get DNA from a child chewing a piece of gum. One male suspect said use my chewing gum then switched it with another one but that was found to be female DNA  no need to look any further.

[mercury]

Have they found anyone to test yet?  If they do, he might object.

The chap who offered to have his DNA taken himself , thought he might be Ben (according to the Daily Mail that is )

Bit of a different scenario

[Carana]

Poor kid. A simple DNA test could have saved her from that ordeal.

Mexico
Mistaken identity: girl pulled screaming from Mexican school and sent to Texas



Jo Tuckman in Mexico City

Thursday 23 April 2015 01.59 BST
Last modified on Tuesday 19 May 2015 11.39 BST

A 14-year-old Mexican girl, who was dragged screaming from her secondary school by federal agents last week and flown to Houston to be with a woman who claimed to be her mother, was repatriated to Mexico on Wednesday.
Parents of taken Mexican girl blame judge for mix-up that sent her to Texas
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The repatriation of Alondra Luna follows DNA tests showing that she is not the daughter of Dorotea García, who had obtained a judge’s order to get her forcibly brought to Houston.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/mistaken-identity-girl-screaming-mexican-school-texas

[mercury]

Poor kid. A simple DNA test could have saved her from that ordeal.

Mexico
Mistaken identity: girl pulled screaming from Mexican school and sent to Texas



Jo Tuckman in Mexico City

Thursday 23 April 2015 01.59 BST
Last modified on Tuesday 19 May 2015 11.39 BST

A 14-year-old Mexican girl, who was dragged screaming from her secondary school by federal agents last week and flown to Houston to be with a woman who claimed to be her mother, was repatriated to Mexico on Wednesday.
Parents of taken Mexican girl blame judge for mix-up that sent her to Texas
Read more

The repatriation of Alondra Luna follows DNA tests showing that she is not the daughter of Dorotea García, who had obtained a judge’s order to get her forcibly brought to Houston.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/mistaken-identity-girl-screaming-mexican-school-texas

As well as a paranoid deluded mother and pathetic judge?Quite

[sadie]

As well as a paranoid deluded mother and pathetic judge?Quite

Would you have been a tadge paranoid if your daughter had been dragged sceaming out of school and taken to another country because the authorities believed the claims of the Houston woman.


I think any caring mother would have been.   Are you saying that it would have been OK by you?


A simple DNA test, a mouth swab,  would have proved that the deluded woman was wrong.
All that trauma need not have happened.

[mercury]

Would you have been a tadge paranoid if your daughter had been dragged sceaming out of school and taken to another country because the authorities believed the claims of the Houston woman.


I think any caring mother would have been.   Are you saying that it would have been OK by you?


A simple DNA test, a mouth swab,  would have proved that the deluded woman was wrong.
All that trauma need not have happened.

Err....I was referring to the mother who got the pathetic judge to authorise the "abduction" of the non daughter from Mexico!!!

[Carana]

From a related article:

(snip)
The prosecutor’s office in the south-western state of Michoacan said in a statement that it is looking into the case involving a civil court judge in Los Reyes, including media reports and videos “which suggest probable acts against the child’s bests interests and could constitute an illegal action”.

Video footage of Alondra being taken screaming by police circulated widely and attracted national and international attention to the case.

Alondra had asked for DNA tests in Mexico before she was sent to the US, and her parents presented more than a dozen documents including her baptismal records, family photographs and a copy of her birth certificate.

But Judge Cinthia Elodia Mercado ruled that Alondra was in fact Alondra Diaz Garcia, who was taken from Texas by her father in 2007. The other girl remains missing, and the father’s whereabouts are also unknown.

Elodia Mercado said this week that it was not within her authority to order DNA testing, and she was obligated to ensure Mexico followed international conventions on child abductions.

“We, as judges, are only responsible to resolve the case with respect to recovering the minor,” she said. “We don’t do investigations or make inquiries.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/mexican-prosecutors-investigation-girl-texas


And from another one (snipped):

With a media spotlight now on the case, Reynaldo Díaz delivered the real Alondra Díaz to family members who then presented her to authorities, saying she was prepared to go live with her mother.

García had an emotional reunion with her daughter this week in a courtroom in Los Reyes.

In the case of the first girl, the judge denied requests by her and her family for DNA tests, saying it was not within her authority. This time Mercado waited for DNA confirmation.

The difference in treatment prompted Alondra Luna and her parents to travel to Los Reyes to stake out the courthouse on Friday and demand an apology.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/15/mexican-judge-returns-teenage-girl-us-mother-previous-mistaken-identity

[Brietta]

From a related article:

(snip)
The prosecutor’s office in the south-western state of Michoacan said in a statement that it is looking into the case involving a civil court judge in Los Reyes, including media reports and videos “which suggest probable acts against the child’s bests interests and could constitute an illegal action”.

Video footage of Alondra being taken screaming by police circulated widely and attracted national and international attention to the case.

Alondra had asked for DNA tests in Mexico before she was sent to the US, and her parents presented more than a dozen documents including her baptismal records, family photographs and a copy of her birth certificate.

But Judge Cinthia Elodia Mercado ruled that Alondra was in fact Alondra Diaz Garcia, who was taken from Texas by her father in 2007. The other girl remains missing, and the father’s whereabouts are also unknown.

Elodia Mercado said this week that it was not within her authority to order DNA testing, and she was obligated to ensure Mexico followed international conventions on child abductions.

“We, as judges, are only responsible to resolve the case with respect to recovering the minor,” she said. “We don’t do investigations or make inquiries.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/mexican-prosecutors-investigation-girl-texas


And from another one (snipped):

With a media spotlight now on the case, Reynaldo Díaz delivered the real Alondra Díaz to family members who then presented her to authorities, saying she was prepared to go live with her mother.

García had an emotional reunion with her daughter this week in a courtroom in Los Reyes.

In the case of the first girl, the judge denied requests by her and her family for DNA tests, saying it was not within her authority. This time Mercado waited for DNA confirmation.

The difference in treatment prompted Alondra Luna and her parents to travel to Los Reyes to stake out the courthouse on Friday and demand an apology.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/15/mexican-judge-returns-teenage-girl-us-mother-previous-mistaken-identity

Thanks for that, Carana, a very interesting state of circumstances indeed.

The child with the wrong identity being traumatised by being hauled off because the judge ruled a DNA test out ... the child with the correct identity confirmed by the simple expediency of a DNA test being carried out and having the choice of where she wished to live.

I think under the circumstances Alondra Luna and her parents merit far more than an apology.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Thanks for that, Carana, a very interesting state of circumstances indeed.

The child with the wrong identity being traumatised by being hauled off because the judge ruled a DNA test out ... the child with the correct identity confirmed by the simple expediency of a DNA test being carried out and having the choice of where she wished to live.

I think under the circumstances Alondra Luna and her parents merit far more than an apology.

Corrupt countries can procure corrupt DNA results! like  no one knew that already.