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Offline Carana

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #330 on: September 02, 2015, 09:01:05 PM »

Corrupt countries can procure corrupt DNA results! like  no one knew that already.

The suggestion being?

Offline Brietta

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #331 on: September 07, 2015, 10:00:25 AM »
British dad fears hospital staff swapped his newborn baby with another tot and sold his son to traffickers
0 COMMENTS 07:44, 7 SEPTEMBER 2015 UPDATED 08:29, 7 SEPTEMBER 2015
BY MATT ROPER
"Someone took my child and I have no idea where he is, who is taking care of him, what has happened to him"

A British dad and his wife fear their newborn baby may have been swapped by hospital staff and sold to traffickers after DNA tests revealed a child they were given was not theirs.

Richard Cushworth and his devastated Salvadoran wife Mercedes Casanellas have launched a desperate appeal to find their son after fearing he was swiped in hospital who thought his light skin would catch a high price on the black market.

The couple, who live in the United States, travelled to El Salvador so Ms Casanellas could give birth in her home country.

But after giving birth, the pair decided to have a DNA test while back in the US after noticing the child did not look like either of them - and discovered to their horror that the child wasn't theirs.

In an emotional interview with a local TV station, a teary Ms Casanellas said: "We haven't been able to sleep thinking about where he is, and who has him.

"We just want them to give us our son back."

The parents fear their light-skinned baby was snatched deliberately by staff at the exclusive Ginecologico private hospital in the country's capital San Salvador to sell to child traffickers.

The family have reportedly already investigated all the other babies born at the hospital on the same day and found that all are with their correct parents - reinforcing their belief that their own son was stolen.

Mr Cushworth, who met Ms Casanellas when he worked as a missionary in El Salvador, said: "It's a horrible situation. I have a child and I don't know where he is.

"Someone took my child and I have no idea where he is, who is taking care of him, what has happened to him. Is he in the country? It's awful.

"I sometimes try not to think about this because it is so frightening."

Ms Casanella's obstretrician-gyneocologist, Dr Alejandra Guidos, who the couple accuse of masterminding the plot, was arrested on Thursday, according to their family's lawyer Francisco Meneses.

Ms Casanellas said that, from the fifth month of her pregnancy, she remembered how Dr Guidos would repeatedly tell her that her child would be dark-skinned, even though the father is white.

She said: "I always thought that was strange. How would he know that from the ultra-sound scans, and why would he keep saying it?"

Remembering her baby's birth, she said: "I was very stressed at first because the baby took a while to start breathing, but then I held him and remember thinking that he looked like my husband.

"He was very white and had similar features. I remember seeing his genitals and thinking that they were white and pinkish.

"But then the anesthetist came and told me that I was very nervous and that they were going to give me something to put me to sleep. After that I don't remember anything, until I woke up the next morning.

"Around 8am, they started to bring the babies to their mothers, and I waited for mine. But when I took him I saw that he was very different to the one I had held in the delivery room. When I changed his clothes I noticed that his genitals were very dark and not rosy like how I'd remembered.

"I said to the nurse, 'look, his genitals are very dark', and she told me, 'no, that's normal, that's normal'".

Ms Casanellas said photos she took of her baby son soon after the birth prove that the baby was white-skinned.

Despite the doubts, the couple took the baby back home to Dallas,, Texas, but over the coming months family and friends also noticed the child's darker colour and lack of resemblance with his parents.

Ms Casanellas said: "I would take photos of him and put them next to my husband, trying to find something of us in him. I kept trying to convince myself that he was really ours, that over time we would begin to see a resemblance.

"But my motherly instincts kept telling me that he wasn't mine."

The baby was three months old when the couple finally found to courage to take a DNA test, which showed he has a 0.00 per cent probability of being their son.

Desperate to find the baby she gave birth to, the couple rushed back to El Salvador.

At first San Salvador's Ginecologio hospital, considered the best private hospital in the country, denied that the baby could have been swapped, saying it was "impossible" due to their "high standards" of control.

But after Dr Guidos's arrest, following the family's high-profile TV interview, the hospital ordered an internal investigation and promised that the situation will be "rectified".

The country's Attorney General has now ordered a criminal investigation into the baby's disappearance amid claims a trafficking gang, led by Dr Guido, has been operating inside the hospital.

Ms Casanellas said: "I just want him to give me my baby back. I want to know that my child hasn't been trafficked or any other crime committed against him. I need my baby, I'm just asking for my baby."

The couple added that, if the true parents of the baby they were given are not found, they will raise him as their own.

She said: "If they can't find his mother, he already has parents, us. We are taking care of him and, even though we know he isn't our biological son, we still love him."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/british-dad-fears-hospital-staff-6395250#rlabs=2%20sitewide

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #332 on: September 07, 2015, 07:11:03 PM »
British dad fears hospital staff swapped his newborn baby with another tot and sold his son to traffickers
0 COMMENTS 07:44, 7 SEPTEMBER 2015 UPDATED 08:29, 7 SEPTEMBER 2015
BY MATT ROPER
"Someone took my child and I have no idea where he is, who is taking care of him, what has happened to him"

A British dad and his wife fear their newborn baby may have been swapped by hospital staff and sold to traffickers after DNA tests revealed a child they were given was not theirs.

Richard Cushworth and his devastated Salvadoran wife Mercedes Casanellas have launched a desperate appeal to find their son after fearing he was swiped in hospital who thought his light skin would catch a high price on the black market.

The couple, who live in the United States, travelled to El Salvador so Ms Casanellas could give birth in her home country.

But after giving birth, the pair decided to have a DNA test while back in the US after noticing the child did not look like either of them - and discovered to their horror that the child wasn't theirs.

In an emotional interview with a local TV station, a teary Ms Casanellas said: "We haven't been able to sleep thinking about where he is, and who has him.

"We just want them to give us our son back."

The parents fear their light-skinned baby was snatched deliberately by staff at the exclusive Ginecologico private hospital in the country's capital San Salvador to sell to child traffickers.

The family have reportedly already investigated all the other babies born at the hospital on the same day and found that all are with their correct parents - reinforcing their belief that their own son was stolen.

Mr Cushworth, who met Ms Casanellas when he worked as a missionary in El Salvador, said: "It's a horrible situation. I have a child and I don't know where he is.

"Someone took my child and I have no idea where he is, who is taking care of him, what has happened to him. Is he in the country? It's awful.

"I sometimes try not to think about this because it is so frightening."

Ms Casanella's obstretrician-gyneocologist, Dr Alejandra Guidos, who the couple accuse of masterminding the plot, was arrested on Thursday, according to their family's lawyer Francisco Meneses.

Ms Casanellas said that, from the fifth month of her pregnancy, she remembered how Dr Guidos would repeatedly tell her that her child would be dark-skinned, even though the father is white.

She said: "I always thought that was strange. How would he know that from the ultra-sound scans, and why would he keep saying it?"

Remembering her baby's birth, she said: "I was very stressed at first because the baby took a while to start breathing, but then I held him and remember thinking that he looked like my husband.

"He was very white and had similar features. I remember seeing his genitals and thinking that they were white and pinkish.

"But then the anesthetist came and told me that I was very nervous and that they were going to give me something to put me to sleep. After that I don't remember anything, until I woke up the next morning.

"Around 8am, they started to bring the babies to their mothers, and I waited for mine. But when I took him I saw that he was very different to the one I had held in the delivery room. When I changed his clothes I noticed that his genitals were very dark and not rosy like how I'd remembered.

"I said to the nurse, 'look, his genitals are very dark', and she told me, 'no, that's normal, that's normal'".

Ms Casanellas said photos she took of her baby son soon after the birth prove that the baby was white-skinned.

Despite the doubts, the couple took the baby back home to Dallas,, Texas, but over the coming months family and friends also noticed the child's darker colour and lack of resemblance with his parents.

Ms Casanellas said: "I would take photos of him and put them next to my husband, trying to find something of us in him. I kept trying to convince myself that he was really ours, that over time we would begin to see a resemblance.

"But my motherly instincts kept telling me that he wasn't mine."

The baby was three months old when the couple finally found to courage to take a DNA test, which showed he has a 0.00 per cent probability of being their son.

Desperate to find the baby she gave birth to, the couple rushed back to El Salvador.

At first San Salvador's Ginecologio hospital, considered the best private hospital in the country, denied that the baby could have been swapped, saying it was "impossible" due to their "high standards" of control.

But after Dr Guidos's arrest, following the family's high-profile TV interview, the hospital ordered an internal investigation and promised that the situation will be "rectified".

The country's Attorney General has now ordered a criminal investigation into the baby's disappearance amid claims a trafficking gang, led by Dr Guido, has been operating inside the hospital.

Ms Casanellas said: "I just want him to give me my baby back. I want to know that my child hasn't been trafficked or any other crime committed against him. I need my baby, I'm just asking for my baby."

The couple added that, if the true parents of the baby they were given are not found, they will raise him as their own.

She said: "If they can't find his mother, he already has parents, us. We are taking care of him and, even though we know he isn't our biological son, we still love him."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/british-dad-fears-hospital-staff-6395250#rlabs=2%20sitewide

What a wonderful couple !

Shows the need for DNA checking tho.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #333 on: September 07, 2015, 07:56:21 PM »
Not a lot of empathy being shown by the supporters here. If you know it is your child, why would you need to have it DNA checked. Your will have photos etc. that you can show the police.

What if the police said they were not happy with your evidence
Do you agree then
Or do you get angry because the police don't believe you

Offline Brietta

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #334 on: September 07, 2015, 10:54:23 PM »
What a wonderful couple !

Shows the need for DNA checking tho.

I thought so too, Sadie, but despite their doubts now confirmed I'm not surprised they have bonded with the wee boy.

The worrying thing as well as what has become of their child ... what has become of the mother of the child passed off as theirs?  I think this thing must be huge ... how many people must have been involved in it?

Thank goodness for DNA ... which obviously the parents of all the other children born at that time in the maternity hospital agreed to for elimination purposes.

It is mind boggling and almost unbelievable that such a thing could have happened but it did.  Someone wanted a fair complexioned child and was prepared to pay (there must have been a lot of money involved) to get one.

Who can say something of the kind did not happen to Madeleine McCann.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #335 on: September 08, 2015, 01:06:47 AM »
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=91834&page=1
*snipped*
When a couple seeking to adopt a white baby is charged $35,000 and a couple seeking a black baby is charged $4,000, the image that comes to the Rev. Ken Hutcherson's mind is of a practice that was outlawed in America nearly 150 years ago — the buying and selling of human beings.

The practice, which is widespread among private adoption facilitators, of charging prospective parents different fees depending on the race or ethnicity of the child they adopt is one that Hutcherson is fighting to change from his Redmond, Wash., church. The Antioch Bible Church has established its own adoption agency, and is lobbying state legislators to change Washington's laws.

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If a legitimate adoption agency is charging $35000 for a white baby, one can only guess at the price on the black market.
There is more to the article & others of a similar nature are also online.
It is interesting to read that outside the UK several countries only allow international adoptions of children over 15 months who are in state orphanages. I also understand that Russia has recently banned Americans who live there from adopting Russian children on the grounds that they will be adversely influenced by liberal US parenting & ideals.

Offline mercury

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #336 on: September 08, 2015, 01:13:01 AM »
Madeleine McCann was 4 not a newborn
She was not an orphan or of parents who might sell her for money
How long will it be before you get back to the theory promulgated in here that Madeleine had been stolen from her holiday flat for  bodily parts...liver, kidneys, lungs, honestly, anything to support the abduction theorem had enough of this utter pathetic gutter crapola
« Last Edit: September 08, 2015, 01:21:42 AM by mercury »

Offline misty

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #337 on: September 08, 2015, 01:29:25 AM »
Madeleine McCann was 4 not a newborn
She was not an orphan or of parents who might sell her for money
How long will it be before you get back to the theory promulgated in here that Madeleine had been stolen from her holiday flat for  bodily parts...liver, kidneys, lungs, honestly, anything to support the abduction theorem had enough of this utter pathetic gutter crapola

It would be interesting to see the worldwide statistics for child-trafficking of under 10's compared to parental murder/manslaughter of under 10's.

Offline mercury

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #338 on: September 08, 2015, 01:34:36 AM »
Utterly meaningless in itself


Offline misty

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #339 on: September 08, 2015, 01:38:03 AM »
Utterly meaningless in itself

If you have nothing but contempt for every post made to promote discussion & knowledge, why are you here?

Offline mercury

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #340 on: September 08, 2015, 03:15:14 AM »
If you have nothing but contempt for every post made to promote discussion & knowledge, why are you here?

Not contempt just doubt as to those statistics you are after and what possible light they could shed, as to why I'm here, same reason YOU are,I wasn't personal so don't you be, thanks

Offline Brietta

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #341 on: September 08, 2015, 11:03:34 AM »
If you have nothing but contempt for every post made to promote discussion & knowledge, why are you here?

I think there may be a resistance to entering any sort of meaningful discussion if one doesn't really have much of a counter argument to put up.

I didn't know about the differential in price being charged by adoption agencies for light skinned and dark skinned babies.  I can only wonder what the unscrupulous doctor who stole Richard and Mercedes baby charged.

It is a practice which has gone on in many countries, often State sanctioned and did not just involve babies ...

At the Nuremberg Trials, no evidence was found of direct involvement by the Lebensborn organization in the kidnapping of Polish children. However, Heinrich Himmler directed a programme with other segments of the Nazi bureaucracy, whereby thousands of Polish children were kidnapped and subjected to 'Germanisation'. Germanisation involved a period at one of the 're-education camps', followed by being fostered out to German families.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

Spanish society has been shaken by allegations of the theft and trafficking of thousands of babies by nuns, priests and doctors, which started under Franco and continued up to the 1990s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15335899

Why people should think it extraordinary that there are people in existence who would think nothing of entering a child's bedroom to steal her because she had been 'chosen' and paid for by someone ... there are a lot of improbable situations going on in the world from the documented theft of individual children to the documented theft of thousands.

In my opinion the only way of checking who is who in such situations is by using DNA to check it out.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #342 on: September 08, 2015, 01:36:21 PM »
What a wonderful couple !

Shows the need for DNA checking tho.

Richard and Mercedes have been reunited with their son ... I hope all goes well for the family in future ... now it only remains to discover what actually may have happened in the hospital.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #343 on: September 08, 2015, 01:40:51 PM »

DNA Cracked it.  And no one refused.

Offline jassi

Re: Establishing the identity of an abducted child by DNA.
« Reply #344 on: September 08, 2015, 01:47:15 PM »
Apparently the El Salvador's Attorney General's office said the babies had been accidentally mixed up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/el-salvador-baby-swap-couple-absolutely-thrilled-after-biological-child-returned-safely-10491094.html.

The parents of four other boys who were also born on the same day, May 21, had last week brought their babies to be DNA tested after an order was issued by the country's Prosecutor General's Office, which had taken over the investigation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3225887/Parents-discovered-newborn-swapped-birth-doctor-sold-trafficking-ring-finally-reunited-lost-son.html

« Last Edit: September 08, 2015, 01:54:18 PM by jassi »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future