Would a Portuguese Crimewatch have helped find Madeleine McCann?

[ShiningInLuz]

Does anyone have a view on HOW SY/OG/DCI Nicola Wall should go about getting some sort of equivalent of Crimewatch out in Portugal?

I have been pondering this point for a while, as it seems one way of potentially making major progress in the case.

[ferryman]

Does anyone have a view on HOW SY/OG/DCI Nicola Wall should go about getting some sort of equivalent of Crimewatch out in Portugal?

I have been pondering this point for a while, as it seems one way of potentially making major progress in the case.

I know that the Portuguese penal code has been radically modified recently and reading a copy of the laws as they (now) stand, I got the impression (perhaps mistakenly) that such a thing might (now) be possible without breaching secrecy laws.

Am I wrong about that?

[Carana]

I know that the Portuguese penal code has been radically modified recently and reading a copy of the laws as they (now) stand, I got the impression (perhaps mistakenly) that such a thing might (now) be possible without breaching secrecy laws.

Am I wrong about that?

I have no idea what the real issue was, FM.

The PT media did cover the essential content of the Crimewatch appeal, so judicial secrecy doesn't seem to be the issue.

There may have been a hiccup regarding international broadcast licensing rights.

[Brietta]

Does anyone have a view on HOW SY/OG/DCI Nicola Wall should go about getting some sort of equivalent of Crimewatch out in Portugal?

I have been pondering this point for a while, as it seems one way of potentially making major progress in the case.

It is my opinion that this man whose description mirrors the description of the man seen by Jane Tanner should have been sought and ruled in or ruled out in the earlier stages of the inquiry.
Apart from the witness statements in the files there is no indication of any follow up action.

That the later description of an individual which mirrors a description given by another witness was entirely wrong does not enhance my opinion of either the earlier description or the one given in almost the same language as that used by Mr McCluskey.

[Admin]

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[mercury]

Well I'd think you would have to be a moron of some sort at best  to think an appeal in the place a child went missing wasn't a priority to ask for help,  oh well
And it's a little bit morally criminal is it not of the BBC to refuse a replay due to licences and all that crap???

the Portuguese asked and they were refused....whose HEAD is this one on??

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/crimewatch-aired-in-uk-ireland-netherlands-germany-but-why-not-portugal/29659

[Carana]

I agree that it's a terrible shame that it wasn't shown. Clips were made available, which I suppose is better than nothing.

And the worst thing (IMO) is CMTV then did their own version a few weeks later with... Amaral and Moita Flores as special guests.

I'm not sure if the whole thing is online, but you can get the idea from these:

Reconstituição do Caso Maddie
Ler mais em: http://cmtv.sapo.pt/atualidade/detalhe/reconstituicao-do-caso-maddie134058353.html

 Reconstituição do desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann-( Ela está morta em Luz )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p7eFzO69aA


Reconstituição do desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann (Parte 1)
Forças de Segurança em Portugal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Xv0dAJQVg

[Brietta]

I agree that it's a terrible shame that it wasn't shown. Clips were made available, which I suppose is better than nothing.

And the worst thing (IMO) is CMTV then did their own version a few weeks later with... Amaral and Moita Flores as special guests.

I'm not sure if the whole thing is online, but you can get the idea from these:

Reconstituição do Caso Maddie
Ler mais em: http://cmtv.sapo.pt/atualidade/detalhe/reconstituicao-do-caso-maddie134058353.html

 Reconstituição do desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann-( Ela está morta em Luz )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p7eFzO69aA


Reconstituição do desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann (Parte 1)
Forças de Segurança em Portugal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Xv0dAJQVg

I think the best that can be said about those videos is that they were recorded two years ago.  I think the determination of the PJ in the present investigation will not have been missed; but I'm not quite sure if one CW programme would be able to combat such obduracy.

I also think that any new information or requests for assistance will require to be led by Portuguese voices.

[Carana]

I think the best that can be said about those videos is that they were recorded two years ago.  I think the determination of the PJ in the present investigation will not have been missed; but I'm not quite sure if one CW programme would be able to combat such obduracy.

I also think that any new information or requests for assistance will require to be led by Portuguese voices.

I would certainly hope so. But again we're back to a PT judicial media strategy that for the moment doesn't appear to be in place.

The CMTV show set up in lieu is disgraceful, IMO.

Quite aside from the insinuations, many of the "facts" are quite simply a repeat of previous "misunderstandings" - yet presented as fact.

[Anna]

Madeleine McCann Crimewatch appeal: Parents upset at Portuguese Maddie TV snub

21:43, 19 October 2013
Updated  10:04, 20 October 2013 
By Simon Wright ,  Ben Glaze
 

The Sunday Mirror can reveal that two of the country’s largest TV channels, TVI and SIC – with potential audiences of millions – made failed attempts to buy the rights
 
 Kate and Gerry McCann have been left “saddened” and “frustrated” over the decision not to air the latest appeal to find their daughter Madeleine on Portuguese TV.

BBC1’s Crimewatch had its highest ratings last Monday as British detectives issued a fresh public request for information in the search for the little girl who went missing from Portugal’s Praia Da Luz in 2007, aged just three.

But the appeal, which was also shown in Germany and the Netherlands, failed to be screened in the country where Maddie disappeared.

A source close to Kate and Gerry said last night: “They feel it was a massive missed opportunity.”

The Sunday Mirror can reveal that two of the country’s largest TV channels, TVI and SIC – with potential audiences of millions – made failed attempts to buy the rights to the Crimewatch programme.

It is understood that a deal could not be reached due to legal reasons.

The Crimewatch broadcast prompted more than 1,000 new leads for the Metropolitan Police’s Operation Grange team.

Two viewers gave the same name for the e-fit of a prime suspect seen carrying a child away from the McCann’s holiday apartment.

Large numbers of Portuguese still believe that Kate and Gerry, both 45, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were somehow involved in their daughter’s disappearance.

They are currently suing the former head of the original Portuguese investigation, retired police officer Goncalo Amaral, for making similar claims in a book.

The fact that the appeal was not aired in Portugal is understood to have added to their frustration. Our source said: “The attitude of the Portuguese has always been that they’re not bothered.”

The Crimewatch appeal, thought to have cost around £750, 000, pulled in an average of 6.7 million viewers, the biggest in its 11-year history.

A BBC spokesman said: “Crimewatch is made for a domestic audience and we are unable to sell it abroad for legal reasons.

"We have gone to extra lengths to ensure audiences around the world can view the McCann footage by providing clips of the programme and by making the film available on the BBC Crimewatch website.

"The decision on broadcasting an appeal in Portugal is a matter for the Portuguese broadcasters, Portuguese police and The Metropolitan Police.”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-crimewatch-appeal-parents-2472170

Youtube video available to anyone. . Published 14 oct 2013

https://youtu.be/OZ8jmdWlB8Y

[pegasus]

"A BBC spokesman said: “Crimewatch is made for a domestic audience and we are unable to sell it abroad for legal reasons."

"Strictly Come Dancing ... the BBC show earned the corporation tens of millions of pounds in licensing fees last year as it topped the list of the most successful exports."

[mercury]

Which proves "the source" was talking out of their backside....and it was a lie that the Portuguese couldn't be bothered...it was the BBC that REFUSED...silly little "source"
AND what does THAT say about the BBC and refusal to help in a missing child case? Hmmmm???.

[Brietta]

Perhaps the optimum time for a Crimewatch type programme to have been most effective in Portugal would have been when the case was live.

I don't think Mr Amaral's later 'documentary' and participation in many other opinion defining programmes went anywhere near being of benefit to Madeleine or encouraging people to keep looking out for her.

[pegasus]

Which proves "the source" was talking out of their backside....and it was a lie that the Portuguese couldn't be bothered...it was the BBC that REFUSED...silly little "source"
AND what does THAT say about the BBC and refusal to help in a missing child case? Hmmmm???.

I think the quoted legal reasons were real but...
There are millions of pounds to be made by exporting an inane dancing show so obviously ways are found to make it possible, by licensing lookalike shows. Very little money would have been made by finding a way around the rules to let SIC and TVI broadcast a subtitled Crimewatch appeal.

[Carana]

I'm trying to decipher the CMTV alternative to the Crimewatch appeal. I can't catch every word, but FWIW, some notes. Perhaps a PT speaker could confirm or correct:

- Ominous music

- Large quantities of alcohol (close up of daiquiri on Paraiso drinks board)

- Heavy insinuations about DP (mystery how long he was there): Gerry said DP was in their apart from 30 mins, but Kate said 30 seconds.

- Fiona Payne guaranteed that she accompanied her husband to the apartment.and K and G were at home.

- "One thing is certain: Pamela Fenn saw DP near the apartment at around 7 pm."

- "Kate, for example, (inaudible) daquiri" (close up of one on table)

- During dinner, they drank 8 bottles of wine (4 red, 4 white).

- Hint that any checking was via front door (camera past window with shutter down towards 5A door)

- Contradictions about checking (every 30 or 15 mins)

- Russell's timeline (5.57) Jane arrow to Gerry, arrow to Russell, arrow to Kate

- At 21:00, Gerry and Russell left the table.

- Gerry bumped into Jez (a BBC producer)

- Jane Turner goes to find her husband, says she saw man carrying child on his shoulder, think it says G & J don't see her.

- Unexplained scenes of camera going down alleyway at back of apartments.

- Gerry gets back to Tapas at 21:30.

- Russell returned around 1/2 hour after Gerry.

- Kate goes to check and screams "They've taken her".

- Camera simulates running around to the front with shutter still down.

- Bed with covers pulled up (no CC or blanket).

(up to 8.45)

Then interview with GA & Moita Flores...