Would a Portuguese Crimewatch have helped find Madeleine McCann?

[Carana]

Carana, perhaps if you started a new thread you'd get a better response - lol.

Any suggestion as to a better title for a new thread?

Maybe "dogs" could be worked into it somehow...  &%+((£

[ShiningInLuz]

I doubt it, but I was going off the thread title, whoever chose it: Would a Portuguese Crimewatch have helped find Madeleine McCann?

The OP was from Shining, but it may have been a new thread started by Admin.

 Would a Portuguese Crimewatch have helped find Madeleine McCann?
« on: September 09, 2015, 08:43:58 AM »

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Does anyone have a view on HOW SY/OG/DCI Nicola Wall should go about getting some sort of equivalent of Crimewatch out in Portugal?

I have been pondering this point for a while, as it seems one way of potentially making major progress in the case.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2015, 02:49:29 AM by Admin »

I don't see what's off topic in discussing the CMTV show that appeared in lieu of the Crimewatch appeal.

The thread was pruned from somewhere else by Admin.  I was probably off-topic at that time.

The lack of a Portuguese Crimewatch equivalent allied to the CMTV reconstruction in 2013 is motivating me to start broadcasting a small sub-set of topics in Portuguese on my blog.

Therefore, thanks for digging up the CMTV prog and the transcripts in English.  It may well move the case forward, which I believe all of us would appreciate.

[Alfred R Jones]

Any suggestion as to a better title for a new thread?

Maybe "dogs" could be worked into it somehow...  &%+((£

Maybe a thread to discuss Portuguese media propaganda about the case?

[mercury]

The BBC / (SY potentially culpable too) are the ones at fault here, for making no leeway vis a vis their "rules" ...not as if the PT stations asked for a licence to broadcast Eastenders or Coronation Street!!. I wonder why the Mccanns haven't sued them for hampering the search!! Idiots.

[misty]

What would the legal position of the Smith family have been in Portugal had the Crimewatch programme been shown there containing the efits they apparently produced for Oakley Int.? They had made statements as witnesses to the PJ confirming that they were unable to produce efits in May 2007.

[mercury]

What would the legal position of the Smith family have been in Portugal had the Crimewatch programme been shown there containing the efits they apparently produced for Oakley Int.? They had made statements as witnesses to the PJ confirming that they were unable to produce efits in May 2007.

Nothing  they might lose sleep over I'm sure

[misty]

Nothing  they might lose sleep over I'm sure

They didn't lie, then?

[mercury]

They didn't lie, then?

I don't know and neither do you, they most probably didn't , why the hell would they? Where do you  they LIED?? I think you would have to be insane to come forward with info and then LIE in a huge case like this

[misty]

I don't know and neither do you, they most probably didn't , why the hell would they? Where do you  they LIED?? I think you would have to be insane to come forward with info and then LIE in a huge case like this

Is it not inconsistent (and the non-believers do so love their inconsistencies) for 3 people to say they didn't see Smithman's face clearly enough to recall enough detail to produce an efit 3 weeks after the event but to then be able to produce a detailed efit 8 months down the line for a non-police source associated with the McCanns?
How do you think that would have been received by the Portuguese public?

[mercury]

Is it not inconsistent (and the non-believers do so love their inconsistencies) for 3 people to say they didn't see Smithman's face clearly enough to recall enough detail to produce an efit 3 weeks after the event but to then be able to produce a detailed efit 8 months down the line for a non-police source associated with the McCanns?
How do you think that would have been received by the Portuguese public?

I have no idea, but we are continuously lectured here about memory and its shifting sands......
what's your theory then?

aNd YES, SOME inconsistencies are ridiculous, others can be explained and I make no apology for noticing either

[Alfred R Jones]

I have no idea, but we are continuously lectured here about memory and its shifting sands......
what's your theory then?

aNd YES, SOME inconsistencies are ridiculous, others can be explained and I make no apology for noticing either

which category do the Smiths inconsistencies fall into?

[G-Unit]

Is it not inconsistent (and the non-believers do so love their inconsistencies) for 3 people to say they didn't see Smithman's face clearly enough to recall enough detail to produce an efit 3 weeks after the event but to then be able to produce a detailed efit 8 months down the line for a non-police source associated with the McCanns?
How do you think that would have been received by the Portuguese public?

Two members of an Irish family made the e-fits according to the Met. They never said this family were named Smith.
What makes you think the Portuguese public care about this case?

[misty]

Two members of an Irish family made the e-fits according to the Met. They never said this family were named Smith.
What makes you think the Portuguese public care about this case?

Are you now suggesting that the 2 efits shown on Crimewatch were not, in fact, the same 2 efits the McCanns had been accused of withholding from the public all those years?
Was there another Irish family, whose details aren't in the files, which reported a sighting the Portuguese investigation didn't follow up?

[G-Unit]

Are you now suggesting that the 2 efits shown on Crimewatch were not, in fact, the same 2 efits the McCanns had been accused of withholding from the public all those years?
Was there another Irish family, whose details aren't in the files, which reported a sighting the Portuguese investigation didn't follow up?

I'm not suggesting anything. The Met said there was a sighting by an Irish family and two members of that family created two e-fits of the same man. They never gave the name of the family. They never said when the e-fits were made. It's highly likely that their name was Smith, but that hasn't been said either by Crimewatch or by the Met.

[Anna]

I'm not suggesting anything. The Met said there was a sighting by an Irish family and two members of that family created two e-fits of the same man. They never gave the name of the family. They never said when the e-fits were made. It's highly likely that their name was Smith, but that hasn't been said either by Crimewatch or by the Met.

Indeed, it could have been possible G. However they were recognised by the McCann PIs who produced them
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In 2008, the McCanns used money from their charity fund to hire investigators from a firm called Oakley International, led by former MI5 surveillance officer Henri Exton, to look into the mystery – and they focused on the Smith sighting.

“I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn’t a new timeline and it certainly isn’t a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html