Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?

[Mr Gray]

Too long and reopened too late, in my opinion.
It would be great to hear that something of value has been found by OG, but I must admit that I am doubtful, as to the outcome.

remember Grange has been ordered to say nothing by the Portuguese and they would be extremely careful not to upset their hosts. I cannot believe SY have found nothing...I think it's improbable they will solve the case but will come up with some answers that totally exonerates the parents. However who knows. Maddie deserves a full investigation into her fate.

[Anna]

remember Grange has been ordered to say nothing by the Portuguese and they would be extremely careful not to upset their hosts. I cannot believe SY have found nothing...I think it's improbable they will solve the case but will come up with some answers that totally exonerates the parents. However who knows. Maddie deserves a full investigation into her fate.

I totally agree with you, but I believe it may have been easier and had a greater chance of success, if it was all done sooner.
If OG were making progress and had some evidence that would explain Madeleine disappearance........I don't think they would have been given a time limit. That is just my reasoning. I truly hope that the outcome will be positive.
Answers to exonerate the parents isn't what this investigation is about. Its to find out what happened to that child. The parents are innocent until such time as evidence is unveiled to prove otherwise.

[ferryman]

I seem to recall that John Stalker, another 'expert' had an opinion as well.

Key parts underlined:

MCCANNS 'ARE HIDING A BIG SECRET'

Sunday October 28 2007

By John Stalker

 

I have watched the investigation into the Madeleine McCann case drag on for six months.

 

One thing above all worries me: Why have the McCanns and the seven other members of their group - the Tapas Nine - remained so silent?  My gut instinct is that some big secret is probably being covered up.

 

Unlike other high-profile cases I have worked on, not one of them has been prepared to break ranks or really come out and support each other.  After all this time and pressure, I cannot believe that nobody wants to speak.

 

Their answer has always been no comment but there is surely some division between them.  So what are they hiding?  I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth.

 

There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about.

 

While they continue to refuse to talk it is unlikely that we will find out what it is for a very long time but one thing is certain - it will eventually come out.

 

The sad fact is that we still have a missing girl and I believe the investigation will be focusing on the theory that she is dead.

 

The likeliest scenario is that her abductor panicked when he realised the attention the case was creating and killed her days after snatching her.

 

My fear now is that unless we find her body or her killer strikes again we will never know what really happened to that tiny child.

 

My instinct, based on years of policing similar cases, is that we are looking at an abduction where the child was targeted in the days before her disappearance.

 

On the night she vanished it is likely that her abductor simply spotted his opportunity and struck while he could.

 

I have been horrified by the abject failure of the Portuguese detectives to adhere to basic principles of policing.

 

The investigation does not seem to have taken a step forward from where it was in the first week after she went missing.  I cannot believe that the Portuguese only sent selected DNA samples to the forensic science lab in Birmingham.

 

There is absolutely no sense in that whatsoever.  To fully evaluate poor-quality DNA traces, as we believe these were, forensic experts need to see the whole picture.

 

In the past, when I have dealt with traces of bodily fluids, it is very difficult to establish how they got to be where they were.

 

All DNA is highly transferable and that is the most likely explanation for the alleged traces found in the McCanns' hire car and on her mother's clothing.  Robert Murat, the other suspect, was seen close to the apartment the day after Madeleine disappeared and freely admits having helped police as a translator.

 

If he was in that apartment, or anywhere near it, ther is no doubt he would have transferred some of Madeleine's or the twins' DNA on to his clothing.

 

I don't believe for one minute that Kate and Gerry McCann or their friends are capable or guilty of having murdered the four-year-old.

 

All the criticism of Kate and Gerry and their friends has been completely out of order.  They are extremely intelligent and articulate people and, just because they have never visibly cracked in public to the extent that they are beaten, does not mean that they are guilty of anything sinister.

 

Yes, they have had more doors opened for them than other people would have in similar circumstances, but their main aim is to discover what happened to Madeleine.  That should be the aim of all concerned.

 

But my gut instinct still forces me to wonder: What is the secret that the Tapas Nine are so carefully hiding?

There is a single, simple, answer to John Stalker's question: the Portuguese secrecy laws.

[Mr Gray]

I totally agree with you, but I believe it may have been easier and had a greater chance of success, if it was all done sooner.
If OG were making progress and had some evidence that would explain Madeleine disappearance........I don't think they would have been given a time limit. That is just my reasoning. I truly hope that the outcome will be positive.
Answers to exonerate the parents isn't what this investigation is about. Its to find out what happened to that child. The parents are innocent until such time as evidence is unveiled to prove otherwise.

Who says they have been given a time limit

[Anna]

Who says they have been given a time limit

Then, the title of this topic is wrong?

[Mr Gray]

Key parts underlined:

MCCANNS 'ARE HIDING A BIG SECRET'

Sunday October 28 2007

By John Stalker

 

I have watched the investigation into the Madeleine McCann case drag on for six months.

 

One thing above all worries me: Why have the McCanns and the seven other members of their group - the Tapas Nine - remained so silent?  My gut instinct is that some big secret is probably being covered up.

 

Unlike other high-profile cases I have worked on, not one of them has been prepared to break ranks or really come out and support each other.  After all this time and pressure, I cannot believe that nobody wants to speak.

 

Their answer has always been no comment but there is surely some division between them.  So what are they hiding?  I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth.

 

There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about.

 

While they continue to refuse to talk it is unlikely that we will find out what it is for a very long time but one thing is certain - it will eventually come out.

 

The sad fact is that we still have a missing girl and I believe the investigation will be focusing on the theory that she is dead.

 

The likeliest scenario is that her abductor panicked when he realised the attention the case was creating and killed her days after snatching her.

 

My fear now is that unless we find her body or her killer strikes again we will never know what really happened to that tiny child.

 

My instinct, based on years of policing similar cases, is that we are looking at an abduction where the child was targeted in the days before her disappearance.

 

On the night she vanished it is likely that her abductor simply spotted his opportunity and struck while he could.

 

I have been horrified by the abject failure of the Portuguese detectives to adhere to basic principles of policing.

 

The investigation does not seem to have taken a step forward from where it was in the first week after she went missing.  I cannot believe that the Portuguese only sent selected DNA samples to the forensic science lab in Birmingham.

 

There is absolutely no sense in that whatsoever.  To fully evaluate poor-quality DNA traces, as we believe these were, forensic experts need to see the whole picture.

 

In the past, when I have dealt with traces of bodily fluids, it is very difficult to establish how they got to be where they were.

 

All DNA is highly transferable and that is the most likely explanation for the alleged traces found in the McCanns' hire car and on her mother's clothing.  Robert Murat, the other suspect, was seen close to the apartment the day after Madeleine disappeared and freely admits having helped police as a translator.

 

If he was in that apartment, or anywhere near it, ther is no doubt he would have transferred some of Madeleine's or the twins' DNA on to his clothing.

 

I don't believe for one minute that Kate and Gerry McCann or their friends are capable or guilty of having murdered the four-year-old.

 

All the criticism of Kate and Gerry and their friends has been completely out of order.  They are extremely intelligent and articulate people and, just because they have never visibly cracked in public to the extent that they are beaten, does not mean that they are guilty of anything sinister.

 

Yes, they have had more doors opened for them than other people would have in similar circumstances, but their main aim is to discover what happened to Madeleine.  That should be the aim of all concerned.

 

But my gut instinct still forces me to wonder: What is the secret that the Tapas Nine are so carefully hiding?

There is a single, simple, answer to John Stalker's question: the Portuguese secrecy laws.

so stalker thinks there is a secret the McCanns are "embarrassed about.....is that all...

I don't think covering up your daughters death...committing a multi million pound fraud...is something they would be embarrassed about...

but this is the best you can do...pathetic

[Mr Gray]

Then, the title of this topic is wrong?

I think the time limit is  a press inventiuon

[Mr Gray]

Well done reply to my posts.

I will comment on your posts if it pleases me

[Anna]

I think the time limit is  a press inventiuon

May Be, but it will have to finish at some time and the Portuguese can continue as long as they wish. It is after all their case.

[ShiningInLuz]

Then, the title of this topic is wrong?

My OP went in the news thread, but was teased out and given a title.  As we are now at page 11 it seems appropriate.

The core idea was that some papers were saying OG had a deadline, when in fact the statement in the Houses of Parliament merely quoted the budget remaining for the currently approved period, without stating or implying that OG would halt at the end of the period.  Some of the papers chose to run with something that was not said.

[Eleanor]

It's looking to me that Two Million Pounds is about the budget per year so far, allowing for original extra expense in the beginning.

I honestly don't know if this expense is justified.  But it would break my heart if the deprivation of a couple of million pounds left that child unfound.
Even if she is with a couple who really wanted her, which I prefer to believe, then this is still not an ideal situation for any child.

And I refuse to feel ashamed for false hopes, even if they are such.

[Carana]

My OP went in the news thread, but was teased out and given a title.  As we are now at page 11 it seems appropriate.

The core idea was that some papers were saying OG had a deadline, when in fact the statement in the Houses of Parliament merely quoted the budget remaining for the currently approved period, without stating or implying that OG would halt at the end of the period.  Some of the papers chose to run with something that was not said.

That's my impression as well. I was about to say the same thing.

[Eleanor]

My OP went in the news thread, but was teased out and given a title.  As we are now at page 11 it seems appropriate.

The core idea was that some papers were saying OG had a deadline, when in fact the statement in the Houses of Parliament merely quoted the budget remaining for the currently approved period, without stating or implying that OG would halt at the end of the period.  Some of the papers chose to run with something that was not said.

And there could well be another two million the year after.

[Anna]

My OP went in the news thread, but was teased out and given a title.  As we are now at page 11 it seems appropriate.

The core idea was that some papers were saying OG had a deadline, when in fact the statement in the Houses of Parliament merely quoted the budget remaining for the currently approved period, without stating or implying that OG would halt at the end of the period.  Some of the papers chose to run with something that was not said.

Thanks Shining.
In other words, this investigation could go on forever.
I would be really happy. if something of use was found, but I am becoming more doubtful as time goes by.

[Alice Purjorick]

remember Grange has been ordered to say nothing by the Portuguese and they would be extremely careful not to upset their hosts. I cannot believe SY have found nothing...I think it's improbable they will solve the case but will come up with some answers that totally exonerates the parents. However who knows. Maddie deserves a full investigation into her fate.

I thought you had posted several times elsewhere on this forum that the parents had been exonerated by SY & PJ ?
Have they been or have they not been? (exonerated that is).