Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?

[Eleanor]

Amn't what Eleanor? I was referring to my doubts of the investigation finding anything of value. I thought that the McCanns were also prepared for the eventuality of this being the case.
I know that the search would then continue with the fund money.....but then what? Would they sell their house to fund the search if necessary as you and I would do?

Yes, I know, Anna.  Cross purposes.  I do still believe that something will be found.  Or already has been.

No, I wouldn't sell a home with little financial equity when I had two other children to care for.  How much do you think The McCanns would gain financially for The Fund after they had paid off The Mortgage?  There would be no gain, financial or otherwise.

If this goes on after The Government decide to bail out, if they do, then no doubt The McCanns will manage somehow, without depriving their other two children.
I can think of a few things that I would do.

[Eleanor]

It is difficult in that if it had happened in the uk then, if no progress is made,at some point the investigation would be wound down and left on file. As it is not a uk crime then I am not sure it could be left on file.

A good comment, and perfectly to the point.  But whose File?  I simply do not know.

[Anna]

Yes, I know, Anna.  Cross purposes.  I do still believe that something will be found.  Or already has been.

No, I wouldn't sell a home with little financial equity when I had two other children to care for.  How much do you think The McCanns would gain financially for The Fund after they had paid off The Mortgage?  There would be no gain, financial or otherwise.

If this goes on after The Government decide to bail out, if they do, then no doubt The McCanns will manage somehow, without depriving their other two children.
I can think of a few things that I would do.

I very much doubt that they still have a mortgage, Eleanor.
If I truly believed that I could find and bring my missing child home at the cost of losing my home and causing a wee bit of unaccustomed discomfort to my other children...............I would do it!

What did that couple do to get their child to a hospital that could possibly save his life? They are now living in Spain I believe.
 
Lets hope the profits from the book, savings and their salaries, can finance any further searches, when the fund has finally been wound up (if ever)

[Brietta]

yes he felt they were hiding something...that's very vague..perhaps how regular the checks were I think he said

As a person who is convinced Madeleine McCann was abducted he was totally misrepresented in the press ... this was at the time when "the pact of silence" was in the news ... in other words when everyone involved in the case was silenced by judicial secrecy with the exception of 'a source close to the investigation'.



Thanks for the cite, Ferryman, someone was sure to ask.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6632.msg273613#msg273613

[ferryman]

remember Grange has been ordered to say nothing by the Portuguese and they would be extremely careful not to upset their hosts. I cannot believe SY have found nothing...I think it's improbable they will solve the case but will come up with some answers that totally exonerates the parents. However who knows. Maddie deserves a full investigation into her fate.

Jean-Pierre has pulled me up on this before.

To be exonerated, you first have to be charged.

The McCanns were never charged.

[Mr Gray]

Jean-Pierre has pulled me up on this before.

To be exonerated, you first have to be charged.

The McCanns were never charged.

I think the McCanns have been charged and found guilty by some , including the SIO...on that basis exonerates fits the bill perfectly

[ferryman]

I think the McCanns have been charged and found guilty by some , including the SIO...on that basis exonerates fits the bill perfectly

The kangaroo "court" of public opinion.

You have a point there.

[John]

The way I see it is that Scotland Yard are powerless to do any investigating in Portugal or anywhere else outside of the UK without the full cooperation of the Portuguese authorities.   It is the Portuguese who will determine what if any further investigations take place in Portugal and going by previous responses to ILOR's I cannot see that happening any time soon.

That effectively renders any further real investigative work dead in the water.

[Mr Gray]

The way I see it is that Scotland Yard are powerless to do any investigating in Portugal or anywhere else outside of the UK without the full cooperation of the Portuguese authorities.   It is the Portuguese who will determine what if any further investigations take place in Portugal and going by previous responses to ILOR's I cannot see that happening any time soon.

That effectively renders any further real investigative work dead in the water.

I agree. I think the Portuguese are hoping that SY will just give up and go away but I don't see them doing that. This is why the investigation is taking so long and costing so much

[John]

Another point worth raising is why didn't the McCanns undertake private searches after the Portuguese investigation was shelved?  That was the ideal time to carry out searches, when they had sufficient funds to do so and before any potential trail went ice cold.

I must admit I find this belated supposed urgency quite sickening.  Had it been my kid I would have been out there ever possible day searching and digging for the truth.  There are no excuses imo.

[John]

I agree. I think the Portuguese are hoping that SY will just give up and go away but I don't see them doing that. This is why the investigation is taking so long and costing so much

My thoughts exactly davel, the Portuguese appear to be less than willing to pursue matters any further but then the scene of the alleged crime is within their jurisdiction so I suppose it is their prerogative.

[jassi]

The way I see it is that Scotland Yard are powerless to do any investigating in Portugal or anywhere else outside of the UK without the full cooperation of the Portuguese authorities.   It is the Portuguese who will determine what if any further investigations take place in Portugal and going by previous responses to ILOR's I cannot see that happening any time soon.

That effectively renders any further real investigative work dead in the water.

It means that SY must convince the Portuguese judiciary of the validity of their requests before they will be granted.

[Mr Gray]

It means that SY must convince the Portuguese judiciary of the validity of their requests before they will be granted.

That's right..SY have to convince the Portuguese that due to the incompetence of the PJ they need to allow SY to investigate..that should be fairly straightforward

[jassi]

That's right..SY have to convince the Portuguese that due to the incompetence of the PJ they need to allow SY to investigate..that should be fairly straightforward

Competence or incompetence doesn't come into it - its a matter of whether a certain line of investigation is  considered justified  by the  Portuguese Judiciary.

[John]

That's right..SY have to convince the Portuguese that due to the incompetence of the PJ they need to allow SY to investigate..that should be fairly straightforward

That is part of the difficulty, but you cannot lay all the blame at the door of the Portuguese as the British Press have attempted to do.  Leicestershire Police or Leicestershire Constabulary as it was known in 2007 and Scotland Yard were both involved in the original investigation together with several other British advisers and experts so they too must bear their share of responsibility for any mistakes.  The parents too and the other members of the tapas group are not without blame for their conduct, quite appalling really.