Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?

[pegasus]

(snip) ... or alternatively permission granted by someone in a manner that satisfied Portuguese law ... (snip)

If Op Grange wish to visit a residence in portugal, OG could ask PJ to approach the owner, and if the owner gives permission voluntarily, then no search warrant is required, and no ILOR is required. Does anyone agree or disagree?

[Carana]

I totally concur ShiningInLuz, nothing goes on in Portugal involving the police without it being relayed to the local Press. 

Ergo, no news means just that...No News!

That seems to have been the case some time ago. The slightest thought or rumour while scratching your bottom or front around the water fountain found its way into pro-police media, repeated by the UK, then repeated again as substantiated in PT media.

There now appears to be a crackdown and crime reporters now appear to have quite a lot to legitimately get their teeth into.

[jassi]

If Op Grange wish to visit a residence in portugal, OG could ask PJ to approach the owner, and if the owner gives permission voluntarily, then no search warrant is required, and no ILOR is required. Does anyone agree or disagree?

In such a scenario, would UK police have any right to be present at this search, do you think ?

[Alice Purjorick]

OK, perhaps you can explain why the word abduction appears in the remit if the Met were coming to. the investigation without any pre-knowledge or opinions of the case? 
As for your second question I was referring to all the actions taken by the Met that we know about of course.

I can't anymore than I can explain why the word disappearance is used more often.
I draw no conclusion from either.

[mercury]

If an ex arguido and a UK TV team were given access to 5a to make a documentary, I can't think why SY would not be allowed to enter 5A at least to look around

[Alfred R Jones]

I can't anymore than I can explain why the word disappearance is used more often.
I draw no conclusion from either.

Fair enough, just as you refuse to draw any conclusions from all the known actions taken by the Met, nor by Andy Redwood's clear statement that the McCanns are not suspects.  You carry on deluding yourself if it makes you feel better about things.

[Carana]

If Op Grange wish to visit a residence in portugal, OG could ask PJ to approach the owner, and if the owner gives permission voluntarily, then no search warrant is required, and no ILOR is required. Does anyone agree or disagree?

I'd find that highly unlikely for anyone resident or present on foreign soil without a court order. Once you get into court orders... you presumably get into this fuzzy arguido land in PT.

Laws have changed in PT. It used to be that once a particular person was a suspect or an arguido... the timer was ticking.

I find it possible that anyone ordinarily in the UK (previous employees, tourists, returning expats, etc) may consent to a mouth swab... or not.

I haven't the faintest idea how that would work in international law, even if someone voluntarily gave a swab or was subject to anything else (home search) while "resident" in a different jurisdiction.

[Brietta]

It is certain that at some time or other the child disappeared from 5A therefore SY during their investigation must have visited 5A. For example SY must have examined the window and shutter mechanism of that bedroom. To spend tens of millions of pounds without even visiting the residence where the crime happened would be madness. The fact that we never read a report of it in the press is neither here nor there. Is anyone on this forum seriously suggesting OG have never visited the apartment?

The PJ did quietly carry out diligences in PdL prior to reopening the case ... perhaps there was cooperation at that time ... or perhaps they trusted intelligence given to them by their PJ counterparts.

I think on balance that you are correct they would have visited the crime scene in person although I doubt they would have done so accompanied by a forensic team or dogs.
Rather just to get a feel of the place.

[Brietta]

I can't anymore than I can explain why the word disappearance is used more often.
I draw no conclusion from either.

I quite often use "disappearance" or "vanished" in deference to those who have an apoplectic fit at the mention of "abduction" ... I draw no conclusions from the use of any of those or other appropriate words in relation to what happened.

[Carana]

IFF you have reasons to suspect someone, who may have taken up official residence in X country, barring an emergency, wouldn't any police force need to go through an ILOR?

[mercury]

Don't be silly mercury,   do you really think SY telling the public how they know the McCann's and friends are innocent would stop the speculating? It might if somethng very concrete was disclosed, if it exists, as it stands, it seems they don't know either way and if they do! how do they? If you see what I mean

Some of the public are so hell bent on Amaral's theory that they ignore everything SY say,  maybe that's why they have decided to say nothing. No, I don't thnk SY make decisions on what to disclose or not based on the fact there are some people wh believe Mr Amaral/PJs theory of the time

Even the Portuguese police were investigating tractor man,  why would they do that if they thought the McCann's were guilty? The PJ followed up a few lines of inquiry back in the day even if they thought there was or could be  parental involvement...tractorman IMO was not the wedge that got the case reopened

Why haven't the Portuguese police asked the McCann's down for questioning?   Why haven't they arrested them? I have no idea...maybe a few reasons, one being the one originally given by them when they did not ask for them to be reinterviewed along with their friends in 2008...another mght be because they would refuse/needing extradition to do so....another mght be they actually don't thnk they involved, another mght be, their hands are tied diplomatically...who knows....to arrest them needs some hard evidence

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[Alice Purjorick]

Fair enough, just as you refuse to draw any conclusions from all the known actions taken by the Met, nor by Andy Redwood's clear statement that the McCanns are not suspects.  You carry on deluding yourself if it makes you feel better about things.

In your own inimitable MO you have added a shedful of things I have not said in a poor attempt at passing it off as something I have said, together with working in the customary insulting term.

[stephen25000]

I have heard someone is claiming Madeleine was hypnotised.

Is that claim for real ?

[mercury]

I have heard someone is claiming Madeleine was hypnotised.

Is that claim for real ?

It is being discussed on this thread


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.1890

No further comment from me! on the subject ....

 &%+((£

[stephen25000]

It is being discussed on this thread


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.1890

No further comment from me! on the subject ....

 &%+((£

Thanks for the link.