Met given 6 months and £2 million more to find Maddie. Is this the end?

[Carana]

30 more countries.

30 more ways to clutch at straws.

This 30 countries ILOR affair appears to be 2 years old...


Investigators from Operation Grange want to check mobile phone data from tourists who were in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

08:33, UK, Saturday 05 October 2013


Assistant Commissioners Mark Rowley and Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood are also sending formal International Letters Of Request to 30 other countries asking for assistance with their inquiry, reflecting the range of nationalities likely to have been in the town on May 3, 2007.

http://news.sky.com/story/1150028/madeleine-mccann-police-probe-phone-records

[Alice Purjorick]

This 30 countries ILOR affair appears to be 2 years old...


Investigators from Operation Grange want to check mobile phone data from tourists who were in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

08:33, UK, Saturday 05 October 2013


Assistant Commissioners Mark Rowley and Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood are also sending formal International Letters Of Request to 30 other countries asking for assistance with their inquiry, reflecting the range of nationalities likely to have been in the town on May 3, 2007.

http://news.sky.com/story/1150028/madeleine-mccann-police-probe-phone-records

I guess nothing that lead to finding the child or guilty parties turned up yet as a result. I wonder if 30 ILORs were actually raised as the scuttlebutt would have it they [ILORs] are not raised for "fishing trips".

[Carana]

I guess nothing that lead to finding the child or guilty parties turned up yet as a result. I wonder if 30 ILORs were actually raised as the scuttlebutt would have it they [ILORs] are not raised for "fishing trips".

It depends what you mean by "fishing trips". ;)

The article was phrased "are going to". That could simply be a fielded question as to the potential maximum - which may or may not have been found necessary in the end.

On the other hand, that number of countries could be feasible: not that 30 nationalities were present on the night, but just checking on potential people who weren't legal with connections to other countries, or someone with a criminal history somewhere else in the world.

All 30 may not have been needed in the end, or it could simply have been to verify a few details, or even to pave the way if ever.

In any case, I don't see where the idea of 30 new countries comes from as opposed to the previous 30. Yet another cut-and-paste?

[pegasus]

For the entire duration of the SY review and investigation has there been a single photo or report of SY going in or even near 5A?

[Carana]

For the entire duration of the SY review and investigation has there been a single photo or report of SY going in or even near 5A?

Does that mean that none have? Or that any Portimão / Faro / Public Ministry employee found to be leaking agsin would be in deep doo-doos, and / or that it was organised discreetly with officers in bathing costumes and beach accessories?

ETA: Not all faces are known anyway. Redwood and a few others were, but not all of them. Turning up in shorts and T-shirts may not be PT protocol, but... if it avoids a media storm, they might not have had a problem.

[Brietta]

Does that mean that none have? Or that any Portimão / Faro / Public Ministry employee found to be leaking agsin would be in deep doo-doos, and / or that it was organised discreetly with officers in bathing costumes and beach accessories?

ETA: Not all faces are known anyway. Redwood and a few others were, but not all of them. Turning up in shorts and T-shirts may not be PT protocol, but... if it avoids a media storm, they might not have had a problem.

I think they have been there ... if the apartment is still rented out ... they could have 'holidayed' there, failing that an arrangement could have been made with the owner.

[Carana]

I think they have been there ... if the apartment is still rented out ... they could have 'holidayed' there, failing that an arrangement could have been made with the owner.

The Met said they'd done a forensic timeline.

If ever that involved a 3-D reconstruction of possibilities, based on video cameras, I doubt that it will have relied on dodgy PT statements interpreted by some lady who happened to be available on the morning of 4 May or on other dodgy statenents that were an hour out, possibly due to nothing more than a typo in the hour, and repeated for other witnesses.

If so, they may well have done their own reconstruction based on a variety of scenarios, yet dressed as "tourists".

[Alice Purjorick]

It depends what you mean by "fishing trips". ;)

The article was phrased "are going to". That could simply be a fielded question as to the potential maximum - which may or may not have been found necessary in the end.

On the other hand, that number of countries could be feasible: not that 30 nationalities were present on the night, but just checking on potential people who weren't legal with connections to other countries, or someone with a criminal history somewhere else in the world.

All 30 may not have been needed in the end, or it could simply have been to verify a few details, or even to pave the way if ever.

In any case, I don't see where the idea of 30 new countries comes from as opposed to the previous 30. Yet another cut-and-paste?

I guess the technical and legal bits are all in here somewhere:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/415038/MLA_Guidelines_2015.pdf

[ShiningInLuz]

This 30 countries ILOR affair appears to be 2 years old...


Investigators from Operation Grange want to check mobile phone data from tourists who were in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

08:33, UK, Saturday 05 October 2013


Assistant Commissioners Mark Rowley and Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood are also sending formal International Letters Of Request to 30 other countries asking for assistance with their inquiry, reflecting the range of nationalities likely to have been in the town on May 3, 2007.

http://news.sky.com/story/1150028/madeleine-mccann-police-probe-phone-records

Interesting angle.

I am now trying to think if I can crank the OC reception sheets much above 5 to 10 countries.

And were the phone companies required to keep such information this long?

Thinking .......

[Carana]

Interesting angle.

I am now trying to think if I can crank the OC reception sheets much above 5 to 10 countries.

And were the phone companies required to keep such information this long?

Thinking .......

Basic information leading to identities may have been worked out, or in some cases not.. However, if someone has since moved to a different country, or came from a different country or is supposed to have been in a different country at the time, or has ties with someone in a different country, or had a criminal record in a different country... that could easily mount up, even if it's to just verify a few details on a few people.

[pegasus]

I think they have been there ... if the apartment is still rented out ... they could have 'holidayed' there, failing that an arrangement could have been made with the owner.

I agree. All that would be required is permission from the owner, and permission from the PJ with whom they work closely. I cannot imagine spending such a huge amount of money on the case without actually visiting the crime scene, and testing the methods of opening the shutter and window and examining the balcony and garden. We saw photos of Rebelo's team doing this in Oct 2007, so it seems likely that SY have done the same, but incognito. As Carana says they would have dressed as tourists.

[mercury]

Basic information leading to identities may have been worked out, or in some cases not.. However, if someone has since moved to a different country, or came from a different country or is supposed to have been in a different country at the time, or has ties with someone in a different country, or had a criminal record in a different country... that could easily mount up, even if it's to just verify a few details on a few people.

Too many maybes and possibles there, just enough to confuse issues as usual, I think most people might fit into one of those "possibles"...it really is not the way to go when you're trying to narrow thngs down instead of making things worse....SY are not investigating any potential crime in Portugal, they are investigating just ONE

[Brietta]

I agree. All that would be required is permission from the owner, and permission from the PJ with whom they work closely. I cannot imagine spending such a huge amount of money on the case without actually visiting the crime scene, and testing the methods of opening the shutter and window and examining the balcony and garden. We saw photos of Rebelo's team doing this in Oct 2007, so it seems likely that SY have done the same, but incognito. As Carana says they would have dressed as tourists.

I'm not entirely sure that in the initial stages of researching Madeleine McCann's case the PJ and SY were ploughing the same furrow so SY may not have made an official request to make a site visit.

We know that the PJ did.  Perhaps they allowed an observer to accompany them.  Perhaps they shared intelligence which in conjunction with historic data from the PJ and the Rebelo investigation removed the necessity for a high profile presence on the streets.

But whatever, I am certain they will have made sure they were well briefed whatever method they used.

[pegasus]

I'm not entirely sure that in the initial stages of researching Madeleine McCann's case the PJ and SY were ploughing the same furrow so SY may not have made an official request to make a site visit.

We know that the PJ did.  Perhaps they allowed an observer to accompany them.  Perhaps they shared intelligence which in conjunction with historic data from the PJ and the Rebelo investigation removed the necessity for a high profile presence on the streets.

But whatever, I am certain they will have made sure they were well briefed whatever method they used.

Do we actually know whether the PJ have visited the apartment since they reopened the case in Oct 2013?

[mercury]

Do we actually know whether the PJ have visited the apartment since they reopened the case in Oct 2013?

Why do you think they might have felt the need to