SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits

[ferryman]

Well? Ferryman? Ignoring a post in reponse to your claims, which youve read is a sign of....???

Only just come across this.

The opening sentence of the article answers your question:

(Key words highlighted):

THREE witnesses saw a scary weirdo who may have masterminded the abduction of Madeleine McCann, it was revealed last night.

Again, you have efits of men who (conceivably, not necessarily) may have had something to do with Madeleine's abduction, the difference (yet again) between intelligence and evidence and (yet again) full justification in publishing that efit (when it was published).

The Smith sighting was (potentially) actually of Madeleine's abduction.

You need the context of a live and on-going police enquiry to publish such an efit.

simple as that.

[Angelo222]

Only just come across this.

The opening sentence of the article answers your question:

(Key words highlighted):

Again, you have efits of men who (conceivably, not necessarily) may have had something to do with Madeleine's abduction, the difference (yet again) between intelligence and evidence and (yet again) full justification in publishing that efit (when it was published).

The Smith sighting was (potentially) actually of Madeleine's abduction.

You need the context of a live and on-going police enquiry to publish such an efit.

simple as that.

According to Amaral the former PJ coordinator, the parents could have asked for the enquiry to be reopened at any time under Portuguese law so your argument about a live investigation fails.

The e-fits and the damning report were withheld for very obvious reasons, none of which had anything to do with finding Maddie.

[ferryman]

According to Amaral the former PJ coordinator, the parents could have asked for the enquiry to be reopened at any time under Portuguese law so your argument about a live investigation fails.

The e-fits and the damning report were withheld for very obvious reasons.

According to Amaral ....

Come on.

According to Amaral, Mark Harrison switched the enquiry to one for a little girl assumed dead.

The penultimate sentence of Harrison's (final) report makes plain Harrison had no clue (what happened to Madeleine).

[Angelo222]

According to Amaral ....

Come on.

According to Amaral, Mark Harrison switched the enquiry to one for a little girl assumed dead.

The penultimate sentence of Harrison's (final) report makes plain Harrison had no clue (what happened to Madeleine).

Amaral might be many things agreed but he was a high ranking detective who knew the law.  If he says the parents could have had the investigation reopened I believe him.  We know why they didn't want the Portuguese to reopen though don't we?

[ferryman]

Amaral might be many things agreed but he was a high ranking detective who knew the law.  If he says the parents could have had the investigation reopened I believe him.  We know why they didn't want the Portuguese to reopen though don't we?

Fresh evidence was needed to re-open the investigation.  Hard on the heels of a shelved enquiry (and shelved for precisely the reason that the competent authorities investigating it were satisfied all viable leads had been exhausted) where, in a space of about 3 weeks, to you suppose Kate and Gerry might have manged to rustle up sufficient evidence to (persuade the authorities) the enquiry might continue from?

[Angelo222]

Fresh evidence was needed to re-open the investigation.  Hard on the heels of a shelved enquiry (and shelved for precisely the reason that the competent authorities investigating it were satisfied all viable leads had been exhausted) where, in a space of about 3 weeks, to you suppose Kate and Gerry might have manged to rustle up sufficient evidence to (persuade the authorities) the enquiry might continue from?

Was the identification of a potential suspect (Smithman) in an alleged child abduction case not sufficient need to reopen?

Did the parents even try?  Or was it more of a case of self preservation at all cost?

[ferryman]

Was the identification of a potential suspect (Smithman) in an alleged child abduction case not sufficient need to reopen?

Did the parents even try?  Or was it more of a case of self preservation at all cost?

We've been through all that.  It isn't clear when the Smiths produced the efit, but we can be sure that at the end of January 2008 they hadn't, because in his statement to the Irish Gardia Police at that date, Mr Smith said that he had been approached by Brian Kennedy to produce one, but had refused.  It has to be have been at some point after Mr Smith realised he was wrong to suppose the man was Gerry that he agreed.

And seeing as the Portuguese police (certainly back then) didn't use e-fits, and their secrecy laws would not allow them to be publicly displayed, that would be a bit of a dead-duck (so far as the Portuguese were concerned).

It was the English police who used the Smith efit as the centrepiece of the fresh enquiry (much longer than 20 days after the shelving of the first enquiry).

[Benice]

Amaral might be many things agreed but he was a high ranking detective who knew the law.  If he says the parents could have had the investigation reopened I believe him.  We know why they didn't want the Portuguese to reopen though don't we?

The McCanns must have had zero trust in the competence of the  PJ after the way they had handled the case.   No normal person  would feel any different IMO.    It's not rocket science.

What confidence would you have in a police force which claimed that a dream had changed the whole direction of a case?

[pathfinder73]

Smithman is unidentified. They all could have been looking for him in 2008. Amaral was off the case by then and the McCanns wrote a letter to Rebelo.

4th December 2007
Dear Mr Rebelo,


It would be good for Madeleine if we could all work together to help find her and the person(s) who took her.
I would be very grateful if you could give some thought and consideration to my letter and look forward to your reply. I can only ask.
Yours sincerely,
Kate McCann

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2509693/Madeleine-McCann-Text-of-Kate-McCanns-letter-to-Paulo-Rebelo.html

More BS?

[Angelo222]

The McCanns must have had zero trust in the competence of the  PJ after the way they had handled the case.   No normal person  would feel any different IMO.    It's not rocket science.

What confidence would you have in a police force which claimed that a dream had changed the whole direction of a case?

Maybe had the parents cooperated with the local police instead of trying to undermine them?

[Brietta]

Smithman is unidentified. They all could have been looking for him in 2008. Amaral was off the case by then and the McCanns wrote a letter to Rebelo.

4th December 2007
Dear Mr Rebelo,


It would be good for Madeleine if we could all work together to help find her and the person(s) who took her.
I would be very grateful if you could give some thought and consideration to my letter and look forward to your reply. I can only ask.
Yours sincerely,
Kate McCann

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2509693/Madeleine-McCann-Text-of-Kate-McCanns-letter-to-Paulo-Rebelo.html

More BS?

What steps did the Amaral investigation take to publicise and investigate the Smith sighting between the date it was first reported and the date of Mr Smith's misidentification of the carrier?
The three Smith reenactment was conducted in secret.

[pathfinder73]

What steps did the Amaral investigation take to publicise and investigate the Smith sighting between the date it was first reported and the date of Mr Smith's misidentification of the carrier?
The three Smith reenactment was conducted in secret.

Amaral was in the process of bringing these crucial witnesses back but was removed - he was investigating this lead further but was stopped. Rebelo was now in-charge and after Kate's letter to him of all working together that didn't happen did it when it came to releasing Smithman efits in 2008 and finding that man? SY had to get written permission from the fund to see the hidden file and release the efits in 2013 - over 6 years after the disappearance.

[Brietta]

Amaral was in the process of bringing these crucial witnesses back but was removed - he was investigating this lead further but was stopped. Rebelo was now in-charge and after Kate's letter to him of all working together that didn't happen did it when it came to releasing Smithman efits in 2008 and finding that man? SY had to get written permission from the fund to see the hidden file and release the efits in 2013 - over 6 years after the disappearance.

So we are agreed that Mr Amaral totally ignored the "crucial" Smith sighting until Mr Smith's mistaken identification was reported to the police (see the account of Mr McCluskey's mistaken identity in the files).

The Amaral investigation ignored the Smiths between May and September of 2007.  Why was that?  Had they looked at it and discarded it or was it sheer incompetence?

[ferryman]

So we are agreed that Mr Amaral totally ignored the "crucial" Smith sighting until Mr Smith's mistaken identification was reported to the police (see the account of Mr McCluskey's mistaken identity in the files).

The Amaral investigation ignored the Smiths between May and September of 2007.  Why was that?  Had they looked at it and discarded it or was it sheer incompetence?

That hadn't occurred to me before.

But it's right.

[pathfinder73]

So we are agreed that Mr Amaral totally ignored the "crucial" Smith sighting until Mr Smith's mistaken identification was reported to the police (see the account of Mr McCluskey's mistaken identity in the files).

The Amaral investigation ignored the Smiths between May and September of 2007.  Why was that?  Had they looked at it and discarded it or was it sheer incompetence?

They were investigating Tannerman who the group thought had taken Madeleine. Robert Murat became the first arguido because of that sighting. Photoman was investigated and he matched that sighting. When that line led nowhere and the investigation changed, Martin Smith contacted the authorities again in Sept 2007 with new information - he saw an action replay of 3 May. Amaral had to investigate this lead further and any other strange sightings of the new arguido e.g. a man seen outside a block of pink apartments. Amaral was removed before completing his investigation into this lead. SY are back to where he was in 2007.