SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits

[misty]

If you can't support your assertions just say so.

Two men were seen carrying a child. Team McCann released an e-fit for one of them but not the other. End of.

Wasn't the one released an artist's impression, not an efit? As far as I know, there is no efit for Tannerman.

[Robittybob1]

Wasn't the one released an artist's impression, not an efit? As far as I know, there is no efit for Tannerman.

Now that would interesting!

[slartibartfast]

Wasn't the one released an artist's impression, not an efit? As far as I know, there is no efit for Tannerman.

Why is an artist's impression different from an efit?

[G-Unit]

Wasn't the one released an artist's impression, not an efit? As far as I know, there is no efit for Tannerman.

The point is the publicising or not of images, not how they were produced.

The difference between the two seems to be a matter of preference;

In the U.S. the FBI maintains that hand-drawing is its preferred method for constructing a facial composite. Many other police agencies, however, use software, since suitable artistic talent is often not available.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_composite

[misty]

Why is an artist's impression different from an efit?

An efit is a computer generated composite of a face. The image of Tannerman does not fit that criteria, it is an artists's impression of the clothing & profile of the suspect.

[misty]

The point is the publicising or not of images, not how they were produced.

The difference between the two seems to be a matter of preference;

In the U.S. the FBI maintains that hand-drawing is its preferred method for constructing a facial composite. Many other police agencies, however, use software, since suitable artistic talent is often not available.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_composite

What effect would it have had on the PJ investigation if the McCanns' PI's had released the efits within weeks of the
shelving?
All other efits/artist impressions were already in the PJ files.

[mercury]

Time and geography are the two crucial factors.

An efit of a man carrying a child in close proximity to apartment 5a at just about the time Madeleine is known to have been abducted need a live and on-going police investigation to publish them.

You still didnt answer my query

Where is it written that  efits of suspicious people who the police want identified/interest to the case can be published when  the case is not live but efits of the actual perpetrator cannot

Thats to add to where is your cite that no efits can be published at all in a dormant case

[Angelo222]

What effect would it have had on the PJ investigation if the McCanns' PI's had released the efits within weeks of the
shelving?
All other efits/artist impressions were already in the PJ files.

The Smith e-fits should have been publicised immediately in the Algarve in an attempt to exclude Smithman from the investigation.

[misty]

The Smith e-fits should have been publicised immediately in an attempt to exclude Smithman from the investigation.

How could Smithman be excluded from a shelved investigation by a police force which doesn't recognise efits as evidence?

[mercury]

The Smith e-fits should have been publicised immediately in the Algarve in an attempt to exclude Smithman from the investigation.

The efits were done by a pi agency employed by the mccanns who said they sent them to the p j by october 2009, that is, one whole year after sitting on them (like they were LE runnng the investigation)

The pj had nothing to do with them, id imagne they might have some mistrust of the mccanns and their various "teams"
would any other police force do this when just had them sent in the post?
What a crooked case

Eta add the fact that the mccanns never made any mention of them in 5 years anywhere at all proves that a) they thought they were not important b) they didnt want them published for some reason

And c) why DID they sit in them for a whole year mthat could or should be construed as withholding evidence from both the Lp and the PJ

im sure it wasnt the lack of mney to buy some stamps

[Brietta]

The efits were done by a pi agency employed by the mccanns who said they sent them to the p j by october 2009, that is, one whole year after sitting on them (like they were LE runnng the investigation)

The pj had nothing to do with them, id imagne they might have some mistrust of the mccanns and their various "teams"
would any other police force do this when just had them sent in the post?
What a crooked case

Eta add the fact that the mccanns never made any mention of them in 5 years anywhere at all proves that a) they thought they were not important b) they didnt want them published for some reason

The Polícia Judiciária didn't bother to commission an efit of the man seen by Jane Tanner ... unless the egg counts.
The PJ did not bother to commission an efit of the man seen by the Smiths ... hardly surprising since all three Smiths whose interviews are in the files said they would not be able to identify the man.

The victims of the crime did bother and shared the information with the British police and the Portuguese police.

In the first instance, why were the victims of crime put in the situation of having to effectively do the job of the Portuguese police?
Why are 'questions being asked' of them but the abandonment of Madeleine McCann by the law enforcement agency which failed in its duty to her is accepted without qualm?

It wasn't her parents who should have been left to commission efits or decide what should have been done with them ... that should have been the job of the Polícia Judiciária ... and it is a diligence which should have been carried out as soon as witnesses presented themselves.

[mercury]

The Polícia Judiciária didn't bother to commission an efit of the man seen by Jane Tanner ... unless the egg counts.
The PJ did not bother to commission an efit of the man seen by the Smiths ... hardly surprising since all three Smiths whose interviews are in the files said they would not be able to identify the man.

The victims of the crime did bother and shared the information with the British police and the Portuguese police.

In the first instance, why were the victims of crime put in the situation of having to effectively do the job of the Portuguese police?
Why are 'questions being asked' of them but the abandonment of Madeleine McCann by the law enforcement agency which failed in its duty to her is accepted without qualm?

It wasn't her parents who should have been left to commission efits or decide what should have been done with them ... that should have been the job of the Polícia Judiciária ... and it is a diligence which should have been carried out as soon as witnesses presented themselves.

As you have posted many times said witnesses could not reproduce a face either for tannerman or smithman but now youre complaining the pj didnt produce efits for faceless men, make your mind up

Your post didnt address the question why the mccanns SAT on their efits for a whole YEAR, in effect they themselves making the decision if they were of importance or not and NOT giving them to any police force for a whole year, thats utterly pathetic whichever way you look at it

[mercury]

Now that would interesting!

Why would it
There was no face

[Brietta]

As you have posted many times said witnesses could not reproduce a face either for tannerman or smithman but now youre complaining the pj didnt produce efits for faceless men, make your mind up

Your post didnt address the question why the mccanns SAT on their efits for a whole YEAR, in effect they themselves making the decision if they were of importance or not and NOT giving them to any police force for a whole year, thats utterly pathetic whichever way you look at it

There are no features on the information given to the artist by Jane Tanner.  Quite simply, that is because she did not see his face.

I'm not entirely sure how interested DCI Redwood was in pushing the images supplied by the Irish as opposed to publicising and promoting his change in the timeline which allowed the man seen by the Smiths to have walked directly from the McCann apartment.
There have been no further Crimewatch updates utilising the images provided by the fraudster Halligen.
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/washingtondc/press-releases/2013/former-ceo-of-london-based-company-pleads-guilty-to-federal-charge-in-2.1-million-fraud-scheme
So who can tell exactly where we are with that one.

I don't know why the Fund, the British police and the Portuguese police ' sat on' the information for five years.  I am sure they all had good reason for so doing, perhaps one day someone will tell us.

You still are not getting the point about how outrageous it is that the victims of a crime have had to do the police job for them.

[mercury]

There are no features on the information given to the artist by Jane Tanner.  Quite simply, that is because she did not see his face.

I'm not entirely sure how interested DCI Redwood was in pushing the images supplied by the Irish as opposed to publicising and promoting his change in the timeline which allowed the man seen by the Smiths to have walked directly from the McCann apartment.
There have been no further Crimewatch updates utilising the images provided by the fraudster Halligen.
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/washingtondc/press-releases/2013/former-ceo-of-london-based-company-pleads-guilty-to-federal-charge-in-2.1-million-fraud-scheme
So who can tell exactly where we are with that one.

I don't know why the Fund, the British police and the Portuguese police ' sat on' the information for five years.  I am sure they all had good reason for so doing, perhaps one day someone will tell us.

You still are not getting the point about how outrageous it is that the victims of a crime have had to do the police job for them.

Tanner told the police artist she was not happy with the face so the artist removed it, why would she put it in in the first place if not directed??

Redwood changed the timelne obviously because of the smith sighting which was deemed by him as inportant if not more than the tannerman sighting (the one the mccanns hushed up more or less, as they forever and a day promoted tanners sightng over the smith one which was just as probable if not more as madeleine being taken away, after all all tanner saw was a pair of feet, no hair colour no sex , no top, no age though someone massaged her sighting a few days later)

The mccanns did the police job for them? Well, what was the result? zero again
Maybe if they cooperated in the first place and throughout thngs might be dfferent today, as it hapoens they took control as much as they could from day one, sorry, hour one by going aganst police advice and bringing in the worlds media and from then on its history