Did Eddie and Keela work as a team prior to the Madeleine McCann case?

[Brietta]

I've thought it through again and Carana is right (for an obvious reason).  Whether it's possible or not, there is no advantage to a cadaver dog desensitised to the scent of blood, because if your human remains dog won't react to it, your blood dog is rendered redundant by default.  The blood dog will never be deployed

So what is the advantage of a dog trained to find nothing but blood?

I think Martin Grime is innovative.

I think Keela was a prototype ... worth a try ... but not really worth training up any others.

[Carana]

As there is no national accreditation system and ACPO only issue guidelines what precisely is "ACPO Accreditation"? One presumes anything ACPO is valid only for serving police officers and serving police dogs and will expire on retirement from the force. Once one is in "civvy street" how does one and ones dawg become accredited there being no national system?

Why don't you cut the chase ferryman and just state your opinion instead of playing ping pong in an attempt to justify your prejudiced position?

It may be possible for civvie-street former officers to carry on with accreditation. I have no idea either way.

Instructors in the cite mentioned a few posts ago are former officers, now civvie-street themselves.

[Carana]

I think Martin Grime is innovative.

I think Keela was a prototype ... worth a try ... but not really worth training up any others.

That's more or less my impression.

Grime may have been made redundant and was convinced that he could find a niche for himself in the private sector. I have no problem with that. My only problem is that he was just starting out and may have overegged the pudding, with officers in two cases only too appreciative of the extra egg.... IYSWIM.

I do think that Harrison could have done a bit more to make expectations more realistic on both sides (unless he did but not in written form).

[ferryman]

As there is no national accreditation system and ACPO only issue guidelines what precisely is "ACPO Accreditation"? One presumes anything ACPO is valid only for serving police officers and serving police dogs and will expire on retirement from the force. Once one is in "civvy street" how does one and ones dawg become accredited there being no national system?

Why don't you cut the chase ferryman and just state your opinion instead of playing ping pong in an attempt to justify your prejudiced position?

Martin GRIME was an ACPO accredited dog handler whilst he was a
serving police officer, but forfeited accreditation upon his retirement in
July 2007. We mentioned that Mr GRIME remains on the ACPO
accredited list of experts though his EVRD is no longer accredited by
ACPO.

(Operation Havern)

There is a sense in which Alice is right, though.

ACPO no longer exists.

But it did then ....

[ferryman]

I think Martin Grime is innovative.

I think Keela was a prototype ... worth a try ... but not really worth training up any others.

Maybe.

Poacher has suggested that Grime's (proven and acknowledged!) trip to the States in the new year 2006 was not a success, and was a large part of the reason why his employment with SYP ended.

[Carana]

Maybe.

Poacher has suggested that Grime's (proven and acknowledged!) trip to the States was not a success, and was a large part of the reason why his employment with SYP ended.

I have no idea who Poacher is other than an alleged UK dog handler, and his / her style made me have doubts - some posts appeared as some kind of personal / professional gripe, so anything that I couldn't verify went on the back burner.

[slartibartfast]

Maybe.

Poacher has suggested that Grime's (proven and acknowledged!) trip to the States in the new year 2006 was not a success, and was a large part of the reason why his employment with SYP ended.

Who is Poacher?

[ferryman]

Who is Poacher?

http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t1945-poacher-s-view-on-grime-and-the-dogs

[Brietta]

I have no idea who Poacher is other than an alleged UK dog handler, and his / her style made me have doubts - some posts appeared as some kind of personal / professional gripe, so anything that I couldn't verify went on the back burner.

I caught up on him not at the time but later; I thought he spoke a lot of sense at a time when there wasn't a lot of it about because everyone seemed to be mesmerised by the pseudo science.

[Carana]

Maybe.

Poacher has suggested that Grime's (proven and acknowledged!) trip to the States in the new year 2006 was not a success, and was a large part of the reason why his employment with SYP ended.

Sadly, I agree, however brilliant and adorable she is. Specialist explosive dogs may have more currency.

Still, there may have been more opportunities for her in the US or elsewhere as a tandem and I still find that to be an interesting idea, whatever the GP and the specialist team is.

[Carana]

I caught up on him not at the time but later; I thought he spoke a lot of sense at a time when there wasn't a lot of it about because everyone seemed to be mesmerised by the pseudo science.

I've come across at least one other cadaver dog handler (US or Canada, I think) who I found to be down to earth (although with no idea what the PT investigation was like), and without the insinuations against a fellow handler.

I've posted the link here before somewhere.

[Carana]

If they're invisible to the naked eye, how does shining a light help?

Variable light spectrum torches.

They can also show up the invisible spot where your cat sprayed on a wall.

[Brietta]

I've come across at least one other cadaver dog handler (US or Canada, I think) who I found to be down to earth (although with no idea what the PT investigation was like), and without the insinuations against a fellow handler.

I've posted the link here before somewhere.

Yes it was rather obvious that there was no love lost.  I've read quite a few American doggy blogs and fora and there is usually a great exchange of ideas and informative discussion going on.

[mercury]

Variable light spectrum torches.

They can also show up the invisible spot where your cat sprayed on a wall.

One for your library Carana

Blood detection dogs (not just Keela)  are more efficient than flashing torches willy nilly and save time and money in any crime scene investigation

http://www.searchdogsuk.co.uk/forensic_search.html

[G-Unit]

Who is Poacher?

One of those mysterious 'I know a lot but can't tell' types.