Did Eddie and Keela work as a team prior to the Madeleine McCann case?

[faithlilly]

In the theory you set out yesterday and which has now been removed from the forum for being libellous there would not have been time for cadaver scent to have developed.  I know we can't discuss it here but I thought it worth pointing out that you'll have to revise your theory somewhat.   

So, hypothetically speaking, do we know how quickly cadaver odour develops after death in the body of a child ?

[Alfred R Jones]

So, hypothetically speaking, do we know how quickly cadaver odour develops after death in the body of a child ?

There have been some studies done I believe.  I'm sure they've been posted on here before - I seem to recall 90 minutes to 2 hours, but I'm sure someone will be along to verify shortly. 

[ferryman]

And where Eddie alerts and Keela doesn't, in the bedroom for example, would exclude the scent being blood and would be more likely to be cadaver odour.

Unfortunately (for the cause of establishing the truth of what happened to Madeleine) all Eddie's alerts in the first PdL investigation are discredited for the reasons I have set out repeatedly in numerous posts on this board.

And since everything sent to the FSS was reacted to by Keela, it may or may not be relevant that John Lowe's report contains not one single use of the word blood ....

[Alice Purjorick]

http://www.csst.org/cadaver_scent.html
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PRELIMINARY RESULTS: The shortest post-mortem interval for which we received a correct response was one hour and 25 minutes. However, the post-mortem interval for which we received a consistently correct response from all dogs involved is 2.5 - 3 hours.<<<<<< snip

[Alice Purjorick]

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2014/06/smell-death-cadaver-body-decay

[Alfred R Jones]

http://www.csst.org/cadaver_scent.html
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PRELIMINARY RESULTS: The shortest post-mortem interval for which we received a correct response was one hour and 25 minutes. However, the post-mortem interval for which we received a consistently correct response from all dogs involved is 2.5 - 3 hours.<<<<<< snip

Many thanks.  So, as I say - that kind of knocks Faithlilly's (let's not get into it now) theory on the head.   

[faithlilly]

There have been some studies done I believe.  I'm sure they've been posted on here before - I seem to recall 90 minutes to 2 hours, but I'm sure someone will be along to verify shortly.

Where the studies carried out on the cadaver of a child. Does a child decompose at the same rate as an adult ? Pertinent questions I'm sure you'll agree.

[Lyall]

Where the studies carried out on the cadaver of a child. Does a child decompose at the same rate as an adult ? Pertinent questions I'm sure you'll agree.

(Oops replied to wrong message. Ignore)

[Lyall]

Where the studies carried out on the cadaver of a child. Does a child decompose at the same rate as an adult ? Pertinent questions I'm sure you'll agree.

Very pertinent.

[Lace]

And where Eddie alerts and Keela doesn't, in the bedroom for example, would exclude the scent being blood and would be more likely to be cadaver odour.

Not necessarily Faithlilly,    I will repeat what scientists who did a study of cadaver dogs stated and that is cadaver dogs will alert to something that had blood on it and had been removed from the area,   Keela would not do this.

Also they said that cadaver dogs could alert to the scent of rotting vegetation.

[Lyall]

Many thanks.  So, as I say - that kind of knocks Faithlilly's (let's not get into it now) theory on the head.   

The time period just mentioned does fit into the timeline, just about. Theoretically.

[Lace]

http://www.csst.org/cadaver_scent.html
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PRELIMINARY RESULTS: The shortest post-mortem interval for which we received a correct response was one hour and 25 minutes. However, the post-mortem interval for which we received a consistently correct response from all dogs involved is 2.5 - 3 hours.<<<<<< snip

Yes,  I believe that to be about right.

I remember reading when a head was found in a park in America [by someone out walking their dog,  not a cadaver dog by the way]    the forensic scientist on the scene was asked when a dog would pick up the scent of cadaver and he said after about four hours.

This forensic scientist I may add was the one involved in the Casey Anthony trial.

[Alfred R Jones]

The time period just mentioned does fit into the timeline, just about. Theoretically.

Not with Faithlilly's theory it doesn't.

[Alfred R Jones]

Where the studies carried out on the cadaver of a child. Does a child decompose at the same rate as an adult ? Pertinent questions I'm sure you'll agree.

What a lovely question to consider just prior to dinner, thanks.  As adults and children are made up of the same stuff, I'm not sure why they would decompose at a different rate, but by all means bring us any scientific evidence you have to support your contention.

[Lyall]

Not with Faithlilly's theory it doesn't.

Ah, Ok. I didn't read it.