Did Eddie and Keela work as a team prior to the Madeleine McCann case?

[Lace]

I suppose, when the principal theme of a thread is settled, it's fair enough to drift off on to other topics.

To be clear, Keela and Eddie never worked together as a team before the Madeleine investigation ....

You are quite right ferryman,   all off topic.

[stephen25000]

Yes,  I know that but I wonder what the alert for 'cadaver' is compared for the alert for 'alive' given to the dogs in the trial using the pads?

Anyway,   the length of time is too long for Madeleine to have been lying in the apartment dead.

That is supposition.

[Lace]

That is supposition.

Well I can't see how Madeleine could have been lying there for 2 and a half to three hours,   can you?

[stephen25000]

Well I can't see how Madeleine could have been lying there for 2 and a half to three hours,   can you?

It doesn't have to be for that period.

I suggest you read up the articles and do more research.

[mercury]

To be clear, Keela and Eddie never worked together as a team before the Madeleine investigation ....

Here you go FM

There are three cases alone in this article where they did - two in Ireland and one in the USA

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/attracta-sniffer-dog-joins-hunt-for-new-killer-28114027.html

By Brendan McDaid
PUBLISHED
06/12/2006

    *       

The sniffer dog that helped detectives nail Attracta Harron's killer has assisted gardai probing the horrific killing of Cork woman Meg Walsh, it has emerged.

The sniffer dog that helped detectives nail Attracta Harron's killer has assisted gardai probing the horrific killing of Cork woman Meg Walsh, it has emerged.
    *       
Six-year-old English springer spaniel Eddie from South Yorkshire Police and his female companion Keela have formed part of a specialist dog team hunting for clues after the 35-year-old's badly decomposed body was found floating in Waterford Quays on October 15.
Ms Walsh's disappearance sparked the largest man-hunt ever mounted in the Republic's south east after members of the public joined detectives and garda in their search when the mother-of-one failed to show up for her work on October 2.
Following the discovery of Ms Walsh's body, police in South Yorkshire were asked to bring Keela and Eddie, who has also been involved in searches for 15-year-old Arlene Arkinson, to the Republic.
Eddie helped police put evil killer Trevor Hamilton behind bars earlier this year after the victim recovery dog found 63-year-old Attracta Harron's blood on the 23-year-old murderer's burned-out Hyundai.
Eddie also found her body in a shallow grave in April 2003.
Martin Grime, who handles both Eddie and Keela, said today: "Obviously the body had been found already, so we went into investigative mode and the dogs were brought to Waterford and Dublin.
"Eddie would be tasked to tell us where the body had been before it was found and would indicate any clothing that would have come into contact with the body.
"Keela was there to find any blood traces.
"We cannot comment on whether the dogs found anything as the investigation is still ongoing."
In June this year, both dogs were taken to an unspecified location in the USA to help locate a two-year-old girl who has disappeared from her home.
Eddie led detectives to a creek beside an American Civil War graveyard which was subsequently drained.
Investigations in this case are also ongoing.
The dogs' trip to the US occurred shortly after Eddie returned to Ulster earlier this year for a third time to help in the hunt for missing Arlene Arkinson.
The Tyrone teenager went missing after leaving a disco in Bundoran, Co Donegal, on August 13, 1994.
Mr Grime said today: "We are now waiting to here about the Arlene Arkinson case. A review on that is due shortly. We don't give up."
A garda spokeswoman said today that investigations into the death of Ms Walsh were ongoing.

[ferryman]

Here you go FM

There are three cases alone in this article where they did - two in Ireland and one in the USA

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/attracta-sniffer-dog-joins-hunt-for-new-killer-28114027.html

By Brendan McDaid
PUBLISHED
06/12/2006

    *       

The sniffer dog that helped detectives nail Attracta Harron's killer has assisted gardai probing the horrific killing of Cork woman Meg Walsh, it has emerged.

The sniffer dog that helped detectives nail Attracta Harron's killer has assisted gardai probing the horrific killing of Cork woman Meg Walsh, it has emerged.
    *       
Six-year-old English springer spaniel Eddie from South Yorkshire Police and his female companion Keela have formed part of a specialist dog team hunting for clues after the 35-year-old's badly decomposed body was found floating in Waterford Quays on October 15.
Ms Walsh's disappearance sparked the largest man-hunt ever mounted in the Republic's south east after members of the public joined detectives and garda in their search when the mother-of-one failed to show up for her work on October 2.
Following the discovery of Ms Walsh's body, police in South Yorkshire were asked to bring Keela and Eddie, who has also been involved in searches for 15-year-old Arlene Arkinson, to the Republic.
Eddie helped police put evil killer Trevor Hamilton behind bars earlier this year after the victim recovery dog found 63-year-old Attracta Harron's blood on the 23-year-old murderer's burned-out Hyundai.
Eddie also found her body in a shallow grave in April 2003.
Martin Grime, who handles both Eddie and Keela, said today: "Obviously the body had been found already, so we went into investigative mode and the dogs were brought to Waterford and Dublin.
"Eddie would be tasked to tell us where the body had been before it was found and would indicate any clothing that would have come into contact with the body.
"Keela was there to find any blood traces.
"We cannot comment on whether the dogs found anything as the investigation is still ongoing."
In June this year, both dogs were taken to an unspecified location in the USA to help locate a two-year-old girl who has disappeared from her home.
Eddie led detectives to a creek beside an American Civil War graveyard which was subsequently drained.
Investigations in this case are also ongoing.
The dogs' trip to the US occurred shortly after Eddie returned to Ulster earlier this year for a third time to help in the hunt for missing Arlene Arkinson.
The Tyrone teenager went missing after leaving a disco in Bundoran, Co Donegal, on August 13, 1994.
Mr Grime said today: "We are now waiting to here about the Arlene Arkinson case. A review on that is due shortly. We don't give up."
A garda spokeswoman said today that investigations into the death of Ms Walsh were ongoing.

OK thanks.

Meg Walsh's husband was tried for her murder and acquitted.

I can't find a record of whether the crime was solved.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/husband-found-not-guilty-in-meg-walsh-murder-trial-26444742.html

The link I gave earlier seems to have gone walkies with article, all except the header.

So here is the text of a different article with the same story:

A Waterford bus driver was today cleared of murdering his wife by a jury at the Central Criminal Court in Dublin.
The jury of seven men and five women took five hours and twenty minutes to find bus driver, John O'Brien (aged 41) with an address in Ballinakill Downs, Co Waterford not guilty of the murder of 35-year-old Meg Walsh on a date between October 1, 2006 and October 15, 2006. He had pleaded not guilty to the charge.
The jury retired to consider their verdict on Thursday afternoon and returned with a verdict this afternoon.
Mr Justice Barry White thanked the jury for their careful deliberation and excused them from further jury service for life.
In a statement to media after the verdict Mr O'Brien's solicitor Finola Cronin said: "John and his family would like to thank the jury for looking at the facts and reaching their decision." She thanked the defence team and those family and friends who had supported them through the investigation and the trial.
"They would like to ask the media to respect their privacy and to allow them to grieve for Meg and for John's father who passed away during this traumatic time."
Speaking to journalists after the verdict Meg's brother John Walsh described his sister as "a lovely woman, bubbly, happy, a caring woman, a great mother and we miss her terribly."
The mother of one's body was recovered from the River Suir two weeks after her disappearance. She was naked apart from a heavy gold chain.
She had died from blunt force trauma to the head and also had severe bruising to her right shoulder, arm and stomach. Several fingers had been broken and her skull had been cracked "like a boiled egg" in two places.
During the four-week trial the jury heard that Ms Walsh had disappeared after having words with her husband after he caught her kissing another man after a night drinking on Saturday, September 30.
Mr O'Brien told gardaí he woke up at around 1pm and Meg was still asleep upstairs. He said he went for a drive out to his native Tramore, buying a copy of the Sunday World on the way. He parked on the promenade and spent most of the afternoon listening to the radio and reading the paper.
He returned home some time after 5pm. Meg was in the living room watching television. They had further words about the kiss the previous night before Mr O'Brien went upstairs and watched the RTE News, Emmerdale and Coronation Street.
He said he heard Meg moving around the house and taking a shower. At around 8.30pm he heard her leave the house and drive off. That was the last time she was seen.
Her best friend, Lorraine Cuddihy began to get worried when Meg didn't answer a text sent that morning. She sent several more texts during the day but none were returned. During the trial the jury heard evidence that the last time Meg's phone registered any activity was just before 2pm after which the phone had been turned off or rendered unusable. Gardaí never located the phone.
Ms Cuddihy started calling the phone at around 7pm. She was trying to arrange for Meg to meet up with her in the bar of the Woodlands Hotel. She told the jury she tried to ring her friend's phone "100 times" between 7pm and late that night.
At around 10pm she and her partner, David Maloney, with another mutual acquaintance from the bar, walked the short distance to the house in Ballinakill Downs but did not receive an answer. Mr O'Brien told the court he had gone out for a walk at around 9pm.
The three went back to the bar and Ms Cuddihy tried to ring again. She then borrowed a notepad from the barman and wrote a note.
"Hiya. Hope you OK??? Called earlier cos u phone is off. Text me!!!!"
She and Mr Moloney, again accompanied by a friend from the bar went back to the house. It was around midnight. Ms Cuddihy put the note through the door and they headed back to the bar.
The following day Meg did not turn up for work at Meadowcourt Homes.
Her boss, Mr Noel Power called his wife, Karen and the site manager, Mr Patrick Madigan and the three went to Meg's house. Meg's car was still missing. Mr Power rang a friend of his, garda Kevin Donohue and told him that Meg was missing.
That evening after giving a statement to gardaí and finishing his shift at work told gardaí Mr O'Brien told gardai he spent the next few hours "spinning around" looking for Meg's car.
On October 4 Meg's car was found abandoned in the carpark attached to the Uluru pub. There were blood stains on the back of the driver's seat, the inside of the driver's door and on the outside, the door pillar and the driver's side rear bumper. Blood had been wiped off the outside of the car and the inside of the boot.
The boot lining and spare wheel cover from the boot were missing when the car was found. When they were located thrown into the undergrowth edging the car park they were found to have Meg's blood on them.
A week later gardaí found two cut-off pieces from the mat and the wheel cover. Both fragments were found to be heavily stained with Meg's blood.
Her body was recovered from the River Suir on October 15.

[Alfred R Jones]

Well I can't see how Madeleine could have been lying there for 2 and a half to three hours,   can you?

Even if she'd been lying there dead for 90 minutes I've yet to see any research that says a dog will be able to detect the presence of a 90 minute old corpse three months after it has been moved from the vicinity.

[Lace]

It doesn't have to be for that period.

I suggest you read up the articles and do more research.

That's the length of time in the article you put a link to involving the pads.

[stephen25000]

That's the length of time in the article you put a link to involving the pads.

It wasn't the only time reference lace, and there are a plethora more available online as you will be aware of, showing that cadaver scent can be detected earlier, and let's not forget just how effective dogs are in detecting scents.

[Mr Gray]

the dog's alerts are not supported by any real scientific evidence...so everything is pure speculation...from what I have raed I cannot see how remnant scent could survive in the flower bed for 3 months

[pathfinder73]

the dog's alerts are not supported by any real scientific evidence...

If a cadaver dog alerts then the police want to know why. The dog didn't alert at any other property so it's no surprise to the police that the dog only alerted from where the missing girl went missing from. SY have a homicide squad working on this case because of the dog alerts.

[Mr Gray]

If a cadaver dog alerts then the police want to know why. The dog didn't alert at any other property so it's no surprise to the police that the dog only alerted from where the missing girl went missing from. SY have a homicide squad working on this case because of the dog alerts.

the alerts are meaningless

[Brietta]

Here you go FM

There are three cases alone in this article where they did - two in Ireland and one in the USA

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/attracta-sniffer-dog-joins-hunt-for-new-killer-28114027.html

By Brendan McDaid
PUBLISHED
06/12/2006

    *       

The sniffer dog that helped detectives nail Attracta Harron's killer has assisted gardai probing the horrific killing of Cork woman Meg Walsh, it has emerged.

The sniffer dog that helped detectives nail Attracta Harron's killer has assisted gardai probing the horrific killing of Cork woman Meg Walsh, it has emerged.
    *       
Six-year-old English springer spaniel Eddie from South Yorkshire Police and his female companion Keela have formed part of a specialist dog team hunting for clues after the 35-year-old's badly decomposed body was found floating in Waterford Quays on October 15.
Ms Walsh's disappearance sparked the largest man-hunt ever mounted in the Republic's south east after members of the public joined detectives and garda in their search when the mother-of-one failed to show up for her work on October 2.
Following the discovery of Ms Walsh's body, police in South Yorkshire were asked to bring Keela and Eddie, who has also been involved in searches for 15-year-old Arlene Arkinson, to the Republic.
Eddie helped police put evil killer Trevor Hamilton behind bars earlier this year after the victim recovery dog found 63-year-old Attracta Harron's blood on the 23-year-old murderer's burned-out Hyundai.
Eddie also found her body in a shallow grave in April 2003.
Martin Grime, who handles both Eddie and Keela, said today: "Obviously the body had been found already, so we went into investigative mode and the dogs were brought to Waterford and Dublin.
"Eddie would be tasked to tell us where the body had been before it was found and would indicate any clothing that would have come into contact with the body.
"Keela was there to find any blood traces.
"We cannot comment on whether the dogs found anything as the investigation is still ongoing."
In June this year, both dogs were taken to an unspecified location in the USA to help locate a two-year-old girl who has disappeared from her home.
Eddie led detectives to a creek beside an American Civil War graveyard which was subsequently drained.
Investigations in this case are also ongoing.
The dogs' trip to the US occurred shortly after Eddie returned to Ulster earlier this year for a third time to help in the hunt for missing Arlene Arkinson.
The Tyrone teenager went missing after leaving a disco in Bundoran, Co Donegal, on August 13, 1994.
Mr Grime said today: "We are now waiting to here about the Arlene Arkinson case. A review on that is due shortly. We don't give up."
A garda spokeswoman said today that investigations into the death of Ms Walsh were ongoing.

Interesting that Eddie led them to a creek beside a civil war graveyard.

It is known that cadaver dogs alert to grave sites and are used to locate them.

**Snip
As eluded to above, the identification of soil discontinuity, while valuable, does not equate to “corpse was buried here.” To get us closer to that type of discrimination, a variety of other tools are used, including human remains detection (HRD) dogs.

HRD (“cadaver”) dogs are specially trained canines, using their great sense of smell to sniff out and alert to scents of human decomposition. As with geophysical techniques, HRD dogs can help triage search areas and, when used together, greatly assist investigators on deciding where to dig. But, like geophysical techniques, HRD dogs have their limitations.
http://www.americanscientist.org/blog/pub/how-forensic-scientists-find-a-dead-body



So if Eddie didn't locate his target ... he may very well have been alerting to drainage from the civil war graves ending in the creek.
Not what the humans were looking for but actually well within the dog's trained response.

[pathfinder73]

the alerts are meaningless

Not if they get corroborating evidence.

The dogs only alerted to property associated with the McCann family. The dog
alert indications MUST be corroborated if to establish their findings as
evidence.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[ferryman]

If a cadaver dog alerts then the police want to know why. The dog didn't alert at any other property so it's no surprise to the police that the dog only alerted from where the missing girl went missing from. SY have a homicide squad working on this case because of the dog alerts.

I think it might have been a surprise to some policemen that Eddie spent (comparatively) the blink of an eye in all the other apartments, and an inordinate length of time in apartment 5a ...