Did Eddie and Keela work as a team prior to the Madeleine McCann case?

[Lyall]

The prosecutors confined themselves to emphasising that there was no evidence against the McCanns.

Why should they stray into areas outside their speciality?

Thanks for answering my question.

So if there's no criticism from the Portuguese judiciary, and you only ever stick to the official documentation, you actually have no evidence of any issue with MG's work. Correct?

[ferryman]

Try once again giving the full quote, not your selected piece.

What I have always quoted is the full quote.

[ferryman]

Give the full extract.

NOT JUST ONE SENTENCE.

The non involvement of the arguidos parents of Madeleine in any penally relevant action seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared, from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance and afterwards, as can be amply concluded from the witness statements, from the telephone communications analysis and also from the forensics' conclusions, namely the Reports from the FSS and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine.

To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated. If not, let us see: the information concerning a previous alert of the media before the polices was not confirmed, the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory, and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous.

Even if, hypothetically, one could admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible over the child's death, it would still have to be explained how, where through, when, with what means, with the help of whom and where to they freed themselves of her body within the restricted time frame that would have been available to them to do so. Their daily routine, until the 3rd of May, had been circumscribed to the narrow borders of the 'Ocean Club' resort and to the beach that lies next to it, unknowing the surrounding terrain and, apart from the English friends that were with them on holiday there, they had no known friends or contacts in Portugal.

Lots of sentences there.  You just have to read them.

[pegasus]

Going back to that report that MG and Keela worked with some welsh EVRDs.
Could those welsh teams be from the same force that Mr Redwood deployed to Portugal?

[ferryman]

Getting back on-topic, here, again is confirmation that Eddie was not involved in the Meg Walsh investigation.

And from the article, it would seem Keela was being plugged as having gone to America to assist the FBI from before Madeleine's disappearance.

Four sniffer dogs brought to house for second search after body found

Barry Roche,

Southern Correspondent
Gardaí investigating the murder of Waterford woman Meg Walsh have carried out an examination of her home in the city using specialist sniffer dogs brought in from Britain to see if they could find any evidence of her being killed at her house.
Three sniffer dogs from Wales along with a specialist sniffer dog from Yorkshire searched the detached house at Ballinakill Downs where Ms Walsh lived with her husband, bus driver John O'Brien.
The house had been examined by Garda technical experts in the week following Ms Walsh's disappearance on October 1st but gardaí later handed back the house to Mr O'Brien.
However on Sunday, following the discovery of Ms Walsh's naked and badly beaten body in the River Suir, gardaí under Supt Dave Sheahan took possession of the house again and cordoned it off for further examination by the specialist dog units from Britain.
One of the dogs, Keela, an English springer spaniel belonging to the South Yorkshire Police, has been used by police forces all over the UK and by the FBI in the US to locate blood and other human fluids for evidential purposes.
According to a spokesman for South Yorkshire Police, Keela has been "specifically trained to detect minute human blood deposits" and can pinpoint deposits which are not detected by present forensic techniques.
Gardaí believe the dogs may be able to uncover any traces of blood or other human tissue belonging to Ms Walsh which could throw light on where exactly she was murdered in an attempt to move forward their investigation into her killing.
Supt Sheahan confirmed that gardaí are treating Ms Walsh's home as a crime scene and hope the search by the sniffer dogs will find some previously missed evidence.
He confirmed that the specialist dogs - who are accompanied by their handlers - will be available to gardaí for a number of days and they expect to use them at a number of locations around Waterford.
"We're also very anxious to locate where exactly Ms Walsh's body was dumped in the Suir and in that regard we will be using the sniffer dogs in searches along the river to try and locate where her killer disposed of her body."
Supt Sheahan also confirmed that gardaí are strongly of the belief that Ms Walsh's killer used her silver Mitsubishi Carisma car registration 01 W 2060 to transport and dispose of her body by dumping it in the river.
He said they had received a good response from the public to a reconstruction in which gardaí placed two similar Mitsubishi Carisma cars fitted with the same plates as Ms Walsh's car in two locations in Waterford city.
"The incident room was swamped with calls immediately after we carried out the reconstruction and we are currently working through those calls and assessing the information we received in the hope it will help us progress our inquiry," he said.
According to a senior Garda source, the movements of Ms Walsh's car following the last confirmed sighting at her home at 6am on October 1st and before it was found in the Uluru car park at 1.03am on October 4th are critical.
"A huge amount revolves around the movements of the car - if we can get information on that we believe we will make significant progress in bringing this investigation to a successful conclusion," said the source.
Meanwhile a rosary for Ms Walsh took place at Fermoy Hospital last night. Her body will be removed from the hospital tonight at 7pm to St Nicholas's church in her native Killavullen for requiem Mass at noon on Thursday.

[ferryman]

This pretty much confirms Eddie played no role in the investigation.

Although it was a murder investigation, the dogs were brought in after Meg Walsh's remains had been found, rendering a cadaver dog redundant ....

October 18, 2006 | Copyright

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Byline: By NIALL O'CONNOR

SPLATTERED blood stains have been found in the home of murdered mum Meg Walsh, it was revealed yesterday.

The house in Ballinakill Downs on the Dunmore East Road, Waterford, has now become the focus of the Garda investigation.

And yesterday detectives drafted in a specialist dog unit from Wales trained to find evidence.

The body of the 35-year-old Meg was recovered from the River Suir two days ago after a two-week search.

A postmortem established the mother of one had received severe injuries to her upper body and her head. Forensic teams are testing traces of carpet from the house following unconfirmed reports that Meg's naked body was wrapped in red burgundy carpet which may have come from the house which she shared with her husband John O'Brien. …

[Brietta]

Cite?

Bit of a mystery why dogs were called in for this case at all.

Blood was found in Meg Walsh's vehicle which vanished when she did ... her body had been found.

Her husband was found not guilty of her murder.

[ferryman]

The enquiry became a murder enquiry after Meg Walsh's remains were discovered, rendering a role for Eddie redundant.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/meg-walsh-family-appeals-to-her-killers-better-nature-at-inquest-77674.html

[ferryman]

The dogs were, indeed, drafted in after the discovery of Meg Walsh's body (recovered from a river).

So Eddie would have played no part:

Southern Correspondent
Gardaí investigating the murder of Waterford woman Meg Walsh have carried out an examination of her home in the city using specialist sniffer dogs brought in from Britain to see if they could find any evidence of her being killed at her house.
Three sniffer dogs from Wales along with a specialist sniffer dog from Yorkshire searched the detached house at Ballinakill Downs where Ms Walsh lived with her husband, bus driver John O'Brien.
The house had been examined by Garda technical experts in the week following Ms Walsh's disappearance on October 1st but gardaí later handed back the house to Mr O'Brien.
However on Sunday, following the discovery of Ms Walsh's naked and badly beaten body in the River Suir, gardaí under Supt Dave Sheahan took possession of the house again and cordoned it off for further examination by the specialist dog units from Britain.
One of the dogs, Keela, an English springer spaniel belonging to the South Yorkshire Police, has been used by police forces all over the UK and by the FBI in the US to locate blood and other human fluids for evidential purposes.
According to a spokesman for South Yorkshire Police, Keela has been "specifically trained to detect minute human blood deposits" and can pinpoint deposits which are not detected by present forensic techniques.
Gardaí believe the dogs may be able to uncover any traces of blood or other human tissue belonging to Ms Walsh which could throw light on where exactly she was murdered in an attempt to move forward their investigation into her killing.
Supt Sheahan confirmed that gardaí are treating Ms Walsh's home as a crime scene and hope the search by the sniffer dogs will find some previously missed evidence.
He confirmed that the specialist dogs - who are accompanied by their handlers - will be available to gardaí for a number of days and they expect to use them at a number of locations around Waterford.
"We're also very anxious to locate where exactly Ms Walsh's body was dumped in the Suir and in that regard we will be using the sniffer dogs in searches along the river to try and locate where her killer disposed of her body."
Supt Sheahan also confirmed that gardaí are strongly of the belief that Ms Walsh's killer used her silver Mitsubishi Carisma car registration 01 W 2060 to transport and dispose of her body by dumping it in the river.
He said they had received a good response from the public to a reconstruction in which gardaí placed two similar Mitsubishi Carisma cars fitted with the same plates as Ms Walsh's car in two locations in Waterford city.
"The incident room was swamped with calls immediately after we carried out the reconstruction and we are currently working through those calls and assessing the information we received in the hope it will help us progress our inquiry," he said.
According to a senior Garda source, the movements of Ms Walsh's car following the last confirmed sighting at her home at 6am on October 1st and before it was found in the Uluru car park at 1.03am on October 4th are critical.
"A huge amount revolves around the movements of the car - if we can get information on that we believe we will make significant progress in bringing this investigation to a successful conclusion," said the source.
Meanwhile a rosary for Ms Walsh took place at Fermoy Hospital last night. Her body will be removed from the hospital tonight at 7pm to St Nicholas's church in her native Killavullen for requiem Mass at noon on Thursday.

[Angelo222]

So what is that referred to in technical terms if deployed after the main event and find nothing of interest?

[ferryman]

So what is that referred to in technical terms if deployed after the main event and find nothing of interest?

Intriguing question.  Not sure what Keela might potentially have found in the home of help to the investigation ....

[pathfinder73]

In June this year, both dogs were taken to an unspecified location in the USA to help locate a two-year-old girl who has disappeared from her home.
Eddie led detectives to a creek beside an American Civil War graveyard which was subsequently drained.
Investigations in this case are also ongoing.

FBI takes closer look at missing girl's case
Experts scrutinize videotaped interviews for discrepancies

By Katie Howard and Sheila Burke
The Tennessean
5/2/06

FBI specialists skilled in evaluating body language were looking Monday for "discrepancies" in videotapes of everyone interviewed since last week's disappearance of 2-year-old Analyce Guerra.

The agency's Behavioral Science Unit is reviewing hundreds of taped interviews conducted by the Smyrna police, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and the FBI, as well as media interviews that friends and family have given since the girl was reported missing on April 24. The girl's family has appeared on local and national news shows to talk about the case.

"There are some discrepancies in some of the interviews," Smyrna police Sgt. Ken Hampton said. "We have to go back and reinterview some people."

Hunt for girl turns to Stewarts Creek

By Mealand Ragland-Hudgins
The Daily News Journal
7/21/06

SMYRNA — Police looking into the disappearance of 2-year-old Analyce Guerra hope to dam part of Stewarts Creek to look for her, the lead investigator confirmed.

Part of the creek runs near Meadow Wood Apartments, where the toddler was last seen April 23. Smyrna detective Jeff Peach said it makes sense to look there again.

"We've got a body of water nearby that a child can walk to. We're working with the city engineers and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, who actually has jurisdiction over the water … to get the approval to do so," Peach said Wednesday.

Peach is not sure when the search may take place. Parts of the creek in investigators' 2.5-mile search grid, as well as areas suggested by several search experts — some as far away as England — would be checked, he said. Police dragged the creek's bottom two days after Analyce was reported missing.

Bill Peoples, spokesman for the Corps, said he wasn't aware of the police plans but wasn't sure if damming the creek was possible.

"Creeks are much shallower than lakes. Law enforcement have sonar they can use" to search under water. "If they got a hit on something that looked like a body, they could just have divers go in and search," he said.

Police ID remains as Smyrna toddler; trauma 'obvious'

Mealnd Ragland-Hudgins
The Daily News Journal
March 6, 2008

SMYRNA — A two-year search for a missing toddler is now a homicide investigation.

Through DNA testing, the state medical examiner’s office confirmed today that the skeletal remains found in January at Stones River National Battlefield belong to Analyce Guerra, who was 2 when she was reported missing from her family’s apartment.

Signs of foul play were “obvious,” said Detective Jeff Peach, who has worked the case from the beginning. “There is trauma, but that’s all we’re going to say at this time because it is an ongoing investigation.”

Peach broke the news to the family at the police department this evening, and described family members as being “distraught” and “crying.” Eva Guerra, Analyce’s mother, could not be reached for comment Thursday night.

Walkers discovered a human skull Jan. 4 near a Civil War memorial at the battlefield off Old Nashville Highway in Murfreesboro, about five miles south of Smyrna.
Peach said nearly a full skeleton was recovered.

Analyce’s remains had been at the battlefield since the time of her death, likely the day of or shortly after she vanished from her family’s home at Meadow Wood Apartments April 23, 2006, he said.

“I can’t think of a motive why anyone would want to hurt a child this age. I think everyone, including myself, hoped for the best,” Peach said.

Thousands of hours had been spent on the case, the detective said.

New Lead In Cold Case Of Analyce Guerra

CREATED Jan 7, 2014
by Nick Beres

SMYRNA, Tenn. - A very cold case is warming up. Smyrna detectives are now pursuing a hot new lead in the mysterious murder of two-year-old Analyce Guerra.

The high-profile case made headlines back in 2006 when she first disappeared from her family's Smyrna apartment. Her family, friends and police searched for two years never giving up hope she might be found alive.

In January, 2008, Analyce's remains were found on a Civil War battlefield in Rutherford County.  Detectives determined she was murdered.

"This one has special meaning to me," said Police Chief Kevin Arnold.

He works all cold cases equally hard, but said this one involving a child really hurt.

"This is a baby. This is a two-year-old child that someone took, damaged and then dumped as though she was a sack of garbage," said Arnold.

Analyce's family has since moved out of the area, but police have never given up on the case.

"There's a development in this case that we feel we might be able to track down," said Arnold.

He has already sent part of the case file to the district attorney for review. But more information is needed before an indictment can be sought against the unidentified suspect.

"I don't want to tip my hand too much," said Arnold, who declined to go into specifics.

But, he said he has now assigned two new detectives to the cold case.

"Just a fresh set of eyes," said Arnold.

He hopes they can pick up where the others left off, build on the new lead, and finally bring whoever killed Analyce to justice.

The detectives plan to re-interview the 64 people who were originally interviewed when the child first disappeared. Their hope is the new lead in the case will give them a new line of questioning.

[ferryman]

In June this year, both dogs were taken to an unspecified location in the USA to help locate a two-year-old girl who has disappeared from her home.
Eddie led detectives to a creek beside an American Civil War graveyard which was subsequently drained.
Investigations in this case are also ongoing.

FBI takes closer look at missing girl's case
Experts scrutinize videotaped interviews for discrepancies

By Katie Howard and Sheila Burke
The Tennessean
5/2/06

The date underlined would be either (UK) May 2nd or (US) 5th February

So a report of events in June this year would be written before the event occurred.

Why is that?

[mercury]

PF good find!

FM, I posted a story I found ths morning to answer the thread question. It seems not only are you implying that it is false (and the article you posted regarding the Welsh dogs was correct instead, (and how you would know I have no idea, but know why you would like it to be)  but have also ignored some answers to some of your (and others) questions, and also statements! contained in this article.

Look at the boldened parts, hope this helps. NB also it contains "direct quotes"

As for the discrepancy between June/July 2006 in two different articles, on the USA story,hardly a deal breaker (not every syllable journals type are sent in a Moses type of stone) and the article posted by PF refers to search experts from England, unless you think it was not Grime that the Belfast Telegraph article referred to.....

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/attracta-sniffer-dog-joins-hunt-for-new-killer-28114027.html

By Brendan McDaid
PUBLISHED
06/12/2006

    *       



The sniffer dog that helped detectives nail Attracta Harron's killer has assisted gardai probing the horrific killing of Cork woman Meg Walsh, it has emerged.-year-old English springer spaniel Eddie from South Yorkshire Police and his female companion Keela have formed part of a specialist dog team hunting for clues after the 35-year-old's badly decomposed body was found floating in Waterford Quays on October 15.
Ms Walsh's disappearance sparked the largest man-hunt ever mounted in the Republic's south east after members of the public joined detectives and garda in their search when the mother-of-one failed to show up for her work on October 2.
Following the discovery of Ms Walsh's body, police in South Yorkshire were asked to bring Keela and Eddie, who has also been involved in searches for 15-year-old Arlene Arkinson, to the Republic.
Eddie helped police put evil killer Trevor Hamilton behind bars earlier this year after the victim recovery dog found 63-year-old Attracta Harron's blood on the 23-year-old murderer's burned-out Hyundai.
Eddie also found her body in a shallow grave in April 2003.
Martin Grime, who handles both Eddie and Keela, said today:  "Obviously the body had been found already, so we went into investigative mode and the dogs were brought to Waterford and Dublin.
"Eddie would be tasked to tell us where the body had been before it was found and would indicate any clothing that would have come into contact with the body.
"Keela was there to find any blood traces.
"We cannot comment on whether the dogs found anything as the investigation is still ongoing."
In June this year, both dogs were taken to an unspecified location in the USA to help locate a two-year-old girl who has disappeared from her home.
Eddie led detectives to a creek beside an American Civil War graveyard which was subsequently drained.
Investigations in this case are also ongoing.
The dogs' trip to the US occurred shortly after Eddie returned to Ulster earlier this year for a third time to help in the hunt for missing Arlene Arkinson.
The Tyrone teenager went missing after leaving a disco in Bundoran, Co Donegal, on August 13, 1994.
Mr Grime said today: "We are now waiting to here about the Arlene Arkinson case. A review on that is due shortly. We don't give up."
A garda spokeswoman said today that investigations into the death of Ms Walsh were ongoing

[pathfinder73]

In June this year, both dogs were taken to an unspecified location in the USA to help locate a two-year-old girl who has disappeared from her home.
Eddie led detectives to a creek beside an American Civil War graveyard which was subsequently drained.
Investigations in this case are also ongoing.

FBI takes closer look at missing girl's case
Experts scrutinize videotaped interviews for discrepancies

By Katie Howard and Sheila Burke
The Tennessean
5/2/06

The date underlined would be either (UK) May 2nd or (US) 5th February

So a report of events in June this year would be written before the event occurred.

Why is that?

2 May 2006.

Analyce Guerra disappeared from her home during the early morning hours of April 23, 2006.