Ritual dressing

[anglolawyer]

I read somewhere, I forget where, about a folded pair of trousers found near Nevill.   His pyjamas were pulled down or had fallen down too.   Anything in this?   If there is, which of these theories works best?

1 Sheila in her insanity wanted to dress her dead pop
2 Jeremy had some idea connected with having his father found in his day clothes but abandoned it part way through
3 the trousers are meaningless, maybe June was going to sow a button on them or something
4 something else

[Myster]

It's unusual for trousers to be neatly laid on a dirty kitchen floor for no purpose, so maybe they were put there to prevent the spread of blood from Nevill's head wounds, which was running down the side of the coal scuttle. Ditto for the three cushions and towel nearby. Why would the assailant do that if he wanted to be out of the house asap? There seems no logical reason, unless it was to prevent transfer of blood from his shoe soles should he step in the pool, if he intended traipsing through the house again. Would the police/TFU interfere with the crime scene by doing the same?

The trousers might have been airing on the ceiling drying rack above and just in front of the AGA, so were conveniently to hand to lay on the floor.

What is more interesting to me is the fact that Nevill was perched astride a chairback in the most uncomfortable looking position of any murder victim I've seen. Did he end up there on his own, or was he lifted there by the assailant?  Some even say he was moved there by the TFU who barged in through the kitchen door, pushing Nevill over who was seated just behind it.

I think his pyjama bottoms simply dropped down during the struggle, which may have caused him to lose balance and end up where he did.

[APRIL]

It's unusual for trousers to be neatly laid on a dirty kitchen floor for no purpose, so maybe they were put there to prevent the spread of blood from Nevill's head wounds, which was running down the side of the coal scuttle. Ditto for the three cushions and towel nearby. Why would the assailant do that if he wanted to be out of the house asap? There seems no logical reason, unless it was to prevent transfer of blood from his shoe soles should he step in the pool, if he intended traipsing through the house again. Would the police/TFU interfere with the crime scene by doing the same?

The trousers might have been airing on the ceiling drying rack above and just in front of the AGA, so were conveniently to hand to lay on the floor.

What is more interesting to me is the fact that Nevill was perched astride a chairback in the most uncomfortable looking position of any murder victim I've seen. Did he end up there on his own, or was he lifted there by the assailant?  Some even say he was moved there by the TFU who barged in through the kitchen door, pushing Nevill over who was seated just behind it.

I think his pyjama bottoms simply dropped down during the struggle, which may have caused him to lose balance and end up where he did.

I imagine that the items on the floor were to prevent the assailant walking through blood.

[Holly Goodhead]

I read somewhere, I forget where, about a folded pair of trousers found near Nevill.   His pyjamas were pulled down or had fallen down too.   Anything in this?   If there is, which of these theories works best?

1 Sheila in her insanity wanted to dress her dead pop
2 Jeremy had some idea connected with having his father found in his day clothes but abandoned it part way through
3 the trousers are meaningless, maybe June was going to sow a button on them or something
4 something else

The most logical explanation surely is that they were placed there to prevent the various police officers and surgeon stepping in blood.  Although I am quite certain I haven't read anything to this effect in any WS's.  Perhaps held under PII 

[Myster]

I read somewhere, I forget where, about a folded pair of trousers found near Nevill.   His pyjamas were pulled down or had fallen down too.   Anything in this?   If there is, which of these theories works best?

1 Sheila in her insanity wanted to dress her dead pop
2 Jeremy had some idea connected with having his father found in his day clothes but abandoned it part way through
3 the trousers are meaningless, maybe June was going to sow a button on them or something
4 something else

Does this Sheila ritual dressing theory still stand, Clive, or is the mopping up blood idea more sensible?  And if so by whom?

Any ideas as to how Nevill came to be perched on the chair back?  Assailant, police or self?  Before or after rigor mortis had set in?

[anglolawyer]

Does this Sheila ritual dressing theory still stand, Clive, or is the mopping up blood idea more sensible?  And if so by whom?

Any ideas as to how Nevill came to be perched on the chair back?  Assailant, police or self?  Before or after rigor mortis had set in?

I want to see proper photographs before buying into the peculiar idea that Nevill was somehow positioned after rigour mortis had set in.   That would entail waiting hours for that to happen and then doing something utterly pointless.   Why would anyone do that?

I don't buy the ritual dressing or blood-mopping ideas either although the first seems slightly more likely than the second.   Anyway, again I would like to see photographs.   

I don't know whether any of those blue forum people read here, but if they do, I would hope they would have a word with Bamber and prevail on him to release all the photographs and all trial transcripts, exhibits and other documents in exactly the same way that other alleged victims of miscarriages of justice have done so that his case may be thoroughly scrutinised.   The advantage to an innocent person of having many pairs of eyes look at his case and possibly turn up something that has been missed (a possibility I strongly believe in even in the most stale cases) vastly outweighs any conceivable disadvantage.   

[Holly Goodhead]

I want to see proper photographs before buying into the peculiar idea that Nevill was somehow positioned after rigour mortis had set in.   That would entail waiting hours for that to happen and then doing something utterly pointless.   Why would anyone do that?

I don't buy the ritual dressing or blood-mopping ideas either although the first seems slightly more likely than the second.   Anyway, again I would like to see photographs.   

I don't know whether any of those blue forum people read here, but if they do, I would hope they would have a word with Bamber and prevail on him to release all the photographs and all trial transcripts, exhibits and other documents in exactly the same way that other alleged victims of miscarriages of justice have done so that his case may be thoroughly scrutinised.   The advantage to an innocent person of having many pairs of eyes look at his case and possibly turn up something that has been missed (a possibility I strongly believe in even in the most stale cases) vastly outweighs any conceivable disadvantage.

The "blue forum people" and JB's campaign team are two distinct groups.  JB's campaign team (ct) call the shots.  The ct seeks to distance itself from The Jeremy Bamber forum aka blue:

"This organisation does not operate or support www.jeremybamberforum.co.uk and we nor Jeremy have any association with, or control over it".

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/about

The Blue forum is owned by Mike Tesko an ex con who spent time with JB.  To give you some idea in the last few days he has claimed JB fathered a child pre-prison and NB was shot 4 times by EP.  Not a shred of evidence for either.  In between these claims he told a very reasonable and decent poster to fcuk off or shut up, I can recall which, as she doubted him.  Yes this is the place I was banned from, for a week, due to some childish comments about knitting and puppy fat!!!!!!!!!!

[anglolawyer]

The "blue forum people" and JB's campaign team are two distinct groups.  JB's campaign team (ct) call the shots.  The ct seeks to distance itself from The Jeremy Bamber forum aka blue:

"This organisation does not operate or support www.jeremybamberforum.co.uk and we nor Jeremy have any association with, or control over it".

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/about

The Blue forum is owned by Mike Tesko an ex con who spent time with JB.  To give you some idea in the last few days he has claimed JB fathered a child pre-prison and NB was shot 4 times by EP.  Not a shred of evidence for either.  In between these claims he told a very reasonable and decent poster to fcuk off or shut up, I can recall which, as she doubted him.  Yes this is the place I was banned from, for a week, due to some childish comments about knitting and puppy fat!!!!!!!!!!

I am quite sure you were treated much less harshly than you deserved, Holly.

Thanks for the info btw.

[Holly Goodhead]

I am quite sure you were treated much less harshly than you deserved, Holly.

Thanks for the info btw.

Experiencing first hand a gross injustice has enabled me to better understand JB's plight!

If you haven't done so it's worth registering on Blue to access the library and archives - it has more material than Red -  but post at your peril!

[anglolawyer]

Experiencing first hand a gross injustice has enabled me to better understand JB's plight!

If you haven't done so it's worth registering on Blue to access the library and archives - it has more material than Red -  but post at your peril!

If I could figure out how, I would.   I cannot see where to do it.

[Myster]

Here's the registration page, Clive...

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=register

Handy for the docs, etc., but I wouldn't bother wasting time arguing with MT... scipio has been doing so for a couple of years to no effect.

[APRIL]

If I could figure out how, I would.   I cannot see where to do it.

I imagine you'd be very welcome. Don't give up trying.

[anglolawyer]

Here's the registration page, Clive...

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=register

Handy for the docs, etc., but I wouldn't bother wasting time arguing with MT... scipio has been doing so for a couple of years to no effect.

Thanks

To my surprise, I found I was already registered there.   I have no idea how or when that happened.

[anglolawyer]

I imagine you'd be very welcome. Don't give up trying.

Thanks April

[scipio_usmc]

I imagine that the items on the floor were to prevent the assailant walking through blood.

If not for such blood would have seeped all over the floor.  If that happened then the killer could no longer walk in the kitchen without leaving bloody prints so would be forced to avoid the kitchen if he/she didn't want to leave prints.

It is also possible the killer did step in blood but decided to clean up the blood to conceal the prints and then used the materials to pretend blood didn't get beyond so no one knew it was cleaned up.

There is no reason why Sheila would worry about such but Jeremy would because if he did step in blood then have to clean it up the cleaning up would not be consistent with Sheila doing it.

There is another problem than just worrying about stepping in blood though.  If the floor was full of blood but it was free of prints from Sheila that would hurt his attempt to frame her.  So there are a number of different issues all tied together of why one would aim to soak up the blood IF one were trying to avoid being caught.