Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?

[Angelo222]

So, you're coming around t my way of thinking? NB wasn't in the bedroom when he was shot? The casings in the main bedroom only means that the shooter was in there, not NB.

Some of the casings in the master bedroom relate to Nev's injuries so given the direction the rifle was pointed (evidenced by the position of said casings) then he had to have been in the bedroom.  I just love forensics because it reveals so much.

[scipio_usmc]

So, you're coming around t my way of thinking? NB wasn't in the bedroom when he was shot? The casings in the main bedroom only means that the shooter was in there, not NB.

The bullet that grazed Nevill was int he bedroom as well. It could not be fired at him while he was in the hall and yet turn around and go back in the bedroom.  Moreover the casings were not along the side of the room with the chair which is where they would eject if the gun were aimed out the door. The casings were in position where they would be if the killer were shooting at Nevill as he was sitting in bed or sitting on the bed. Your way of thinking is as stupid and baseless as those you attack on blue daily.  It 's not evidence based a tall you simply disregard the evidence and logic.  No way was Sheila in bed with her mother she was killed after her parents.  There is no reason in the world for her to sleep with her mother and your opinion that the shoes in her room were Nevill's is not in the least bit credible either.  Neither police nor the family who cleaned up that room suggest Nevill's slippers were found there.  You simply decided they were despite women shoes that look like that exist and then crafting a wild conspiracy around it. It's not one of your finer moments.

[Holly Goodhead]

What casing and what metal bar?

If you mean DRH13 then that ain't no metal bar, but a plan view of the open bedroom door.

Sorry I should have said "metal stip" also known as carpet gripper or do the bits dividing rooms have a different name...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=203

DRH13 was on the "metal strip" dividing landing and main bedroom.

[Holly Goodhead]

So, you're coming around t my way of thinking? NB wasn't in the bedroom when he was shot? The casings in the main bedroom only means that the shooter was in there, not NB.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4142.msg171018.html#msg171018

[Holly Goodhead]

It takes a real monster to shoot two young children in the head as they sleep.  If ever there was a reason to bring back capital punishment, that is it.

Yes I agree IF JB was responsible he is indeed a monster.  I don't believe in capital punishment as I think whole life tariffs are a greater punishment for the most serious of crimes.  Shipman and West committed suicide.  Brady and Huntley attempted suicide.  Did they struggle to come to terms with their crimes or was the prospect of facing life behind bars too unbearable?  Maybe a combination of the two.

[Myster]

Sorry I should have said "metal stip" also known as carpet gripper or do the bits dividing rooms have a different name...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=203

DRH13 was on the "metal strip" dividing landing and main bedroom.

Yes, I know now what you meant after scipio pointed it out.

Usually called metal carpet plate, not carpet gripper. The latter, wooden strips with embedded sharp metal teeth are fitted underneath the carpet around the room perimeter, to grip it when stretched.

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p44175?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=googleshoppingfeed&mkwid=shF5jhR3U_dc&pcrid=66162905543&pkw=&pmt=&gclid=CIe3r8Gg2ckCFQ_gGwodMf8EAA

How's this drawing progressing?

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes, I know now what you meant after scipio pointed it out.

Usually called metal carpet plate, not carpet gripper. The latter, wooden strips with embedded sharp metal teeth are fitted underneath the carpet around the room perimeter, to grip it when stretched.

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p44175?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=googleshoppingfeed&mkwid=shF5jhR3U_dc&pcrid=66162905543&pkw=&pmt=&gclid=CIe3r8Gg2ckCFQ_gGwodMf8EAA

How's this drawing progressing?

That was my one can of Carlsberg Special Brew talking!

I will attempt to cobble something together.  Can you confirm for me please if there are about 3 stairs at an angle on staircase S1?  Also there's a photo somewhere showing the actual staircase from the hall.  I would like to see that to check how the banisters are set out.  I've had a look for it but unable to locate.

[scipio_usmc]

Sorry I should have said "metal stip" also known as carpet gripper or do the bits dividing rooms have a different name...

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=203

DRH13 was on the "metal strip" dividing landing and main bedroom.

Hardware stores call it a transition plate usually.

[Holly Goodhead]

That was my one can of Carlsberg Special Brew talking!

I will attempt to cobble something together.  Can you confirm for me please if there are about 3 stairs at an angle on staircase S1?  Also there's a photo somewhere showing the actual staircase from the hall.  I would like to see that to check how the banisters are set out.  I've had a look for it but unable to locate.

I haven't found the photo I was looking for but found this one and it appears the scale on the layout is out quite a bit out based on the photo and the curve of the handrail:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=633.0;attach=1971

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=633.msg25947#msg25947

What  I'm trying to say is that the layout gives the impression there's quite a bit of space between the turn of the stairs and the two stairs leading to the main bedroom.  Whereas the photo seems to reduce this to virtually nothing. 

[scipio_usmc]

That was my one can of Carlsberg Special Brew talking!

I will attempt to cobble something together.  Can you confirm for me please if there are about 3 stairs at an angle on staircase S1?  Also there's a photo somewhere showing the actual staircase from the hall.  I would like to see that to check how the banisters are set out.  I've had a look for it but unable to locate.

The area of the house with the master bedroom is higher than the part that has the hallway that had the room the boys were in, the bathroom, office etc. So from the bottom floor you go up the stairs and reach a landing.  If you turn to your left and walk as far as you can on that landing then you are faced on you right with a single step.  If you go that way you end up in the hallway with the boy's room etc attached.  If you go left you walk up a few more stairs then are in the hallway with the master bedroom. So if you walk down the few stairs you are on the landing. If you walk straight you go into the hall. If you turn right you can walk all the way to the end of the landing and then turn right again to go down the stairs to the bottom floor of the house.

[Myster]

That was my one can of Carlsberg Special Brew talking!

I will attempt to cobble something together.  Can you confirm for me please if there are about 3 stairs at an angle on staircase S1?  Also there's a photo somewhere showing the actual staircase from the hall.  I would like to see that to check how the banisters are set out.  I've had a look for it but unable to locate.

Yes, there are two or three winders (as they are known) on the main stair, similar to those at the bottom of the office staircase.

This blurry hall photo is the only one I've seen...

[Caroline]

Have you got your tin hat on, ready? 

Nah, will a wooden spoon do?  - Just joking I come in peace 

[Myster]

Nah, will a wooden spoon do?  - Just joking I come in peace 

Seems blue is fast becoming the Anti-Jeremy Bamber Forum these days, now that you, APRIL, maggie, etc. have seen the light and are letting rip.

Can't understand why it took so long. &%+((£

[Myster]

Another photo which might be of use to you, Holly...

[Holly Goodhead]

Another photo which might be of use to you, Holly...

Thanks Myster. 

I hope to have time today or tomorrow to cobble something together.  I am probably the world's worst at drawing so I think it's best if I use a ruler and just stick to lines!

I dont think I've seen the photo above before.  If I have I havent paid much attention to it.  Now looking more closely it appears the bed contains 2 teddies whereas the other photo showing all the blood June's side appears to have 1 teddy only?  Bizarrely they look as though they are tucked in?  Also what is that above the smaller teddy?  It looks like a cloth fan made of bright colours?