Could both June and Sheila have been in the master bedroom?

[Myster]

Thanks Myster. 

I hope to have time today or tomorrow to cobble something together.  I am probably the world's worst at drawing so I think it's best if I use a ruler and just stick to lines!

I dont think I've seen the photo above before.  If I have I havent paid much attention to it.  Now looking more closely it appears the bed contains 2 teddies whereas the other photo showing all the blood June's side appears to have 1 teddy only?  Bizarrely they look as though they are tucked in?  Also what is that above the smaller teddy?  It looks like a cloth fan made of bright colours?

Don't go thinking I'm pushing you into drawing anything.  If you were CAD savvy, Sketchup Make might have been easier to use than pencil and paper, but you need a powerful PC and three button mouse with scroll wheel rather than a humble laptop and touchpad. And it takes time to learn the program.

There are two Teddies, one smaller than the other... in both photos. The smaller one is wearing a striped nightcap.

[Holly Goodhead]

Don't go thinking I'm pushing you into drawing anything.  If you were CAD savvy, Sketchup Make might have been easier to use than pencil and paper, but you need a powerful PC and three button mouse with scroll wheel rather than a humble laptop and touchpad. And it takes time to learn the program.

There are two Teddies, one smaller than the other... in both photos. The smaller one is wearing a striped nightcap.

Not at all can't wait to see how my drawing/theory stands up to scrutiny    I'm not remotely savvy with any of those things.  I'm better sticking to paper, pen and ruler!   Then scanning and uploading.  It might take me a day or two until I get to something that anyone will even recongnise!

I thought I was observant but obviously not as I've spent ages agonising over that photo and not noticed the smaller teddy.

[Myster]

There's another photo of the Landing here. What's that blue cloth item hanging over the banister rail?

They look like hose or leggings?

[Holly Goodhead]

There's another photo of the Landing here. What's that blue cloth item hanging over the banister rail?

They look like hose or leggings?

No I think it might be a halter neck top. 

[Myster]

No I think it might be a halter neck top.

Maybe you're right, but the visible part doesn't look big enough to fit the upper body without being overly stretched, and on the other side of the banister rail they appear to be long as if they're the stocking part of a pair of tights.  They go halfway down the spindles.

Just noticed June's left hand in the doorway.

[Holly Goodhead]

Maybe you're right, but the visible part doesn't look big enough to fit the upper body without being overly stretched, and on the other side of the banister rail they appear to be long as if they're the stocking part of a pair of tights.  They go halfway down the spindles.

Just noticed June's left hand in the doorway.

It doesn't look right for leggings or hose especially around the crotch area! 

If it's a halter neck the body will fit like a boob tube with the straps wide at the top and a long tie at the back.  A combination of the following maybe.

[Holly Goodhead]

Maybe you're right, but the visible part doesn't look big enough to fit the upper body without being overly stretched, and on the other side of the banister rail they appear to be long as if they're the stocking part of a pair of tights.  They go halfway down the spindles.

Just noticed June's left hand in the doorway.

Is that definitely June's hand? 

[Myster]

Is that definitely June's hand?

I'm positive.  Maybe others think the same?

[Myster]

It doesn't look right for leggings or hose especially around the crotch area! 

If it's a halter neck the body will fit like a boob tube with the straps wide at the top and a long tie at the back.  A combination of the following maybe.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge on this occasion... before I dig myself any deeper!

[puglove]

I'm positive.  Maybe others think the same?

Yes, it's June's hand.

[Holly Goodhead]

I'll bow to your superior knowledge on this occasion... before I dig myself any deeper!

I don't think I've seen that photo before but I've heard about leggings on the banisters.  In fact I think it might state that in CAL's book too.

AE seems to refer to it as a belt?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=3102

It def looks like a halter neck top to me.  What do you think puglove?  Why would it be there and not with the rest of SC's clothes in her room?  Maybe she washed it in part or full and left it there to dry.  Or maybe it belonged to Regina Pargeter (or one of her daughters but think it looks too big for a young girl) who stayed a few days earlier but surely June or Jean Boutell would put it away and not just leave it hanging about.

There seem to be a number of objects in unusual places:

- tampon applicator (or part of) in lounge
- teddies in NB and June's bed
- halter neck top (?) hanging over banisters not altogether unusual and certainly a good place for drying something.  That's the only reason I can think for leaving it there and not putting it with other clothes.
- feather thing on kitchen table, again perhaps not altogether unusual
- phone under magazines? 

Then again perhaps if any of us were caught unaware we might have various objects in ususual places.   

[Holly Goodhead]

How did it maintains its position and not fall down?  All the weight is on one side?  Unlesss as AE said the ends/ties had some triangle weighted end?

[Myster]

I don't think I've seen that photo before but I've heard about leggings on the banisters.  In fact I think it might state that in CAL's book too.

AE seems to refer to it as a belt?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=3102

It def looks like a halter neck top to me.  What do you think puglove?  Why would it be there and not with the rest of SC's clothes in her room?  Maybe she washed it in part or full and left it there to dry.  Or maybe it belonged to Regina Pargeter (or one of her daughters but think it looks too big for a young girl) who stayed a few days earlier but surely June or Jean Boutell would put it away and not just leave it hanging about.

There seem to be a number of objects in unusual places:

- tampon applicator (or part of) in lounge
- teddies in NB and June's bed
- halter neck top (?) hanging over banisters not altogether unusual and certainly a good place for drying something.  That's the only reason I can think for leaving it there and not putting it with other clothes.
- feather thing on kitchen table, again perhaps not altogether unusual
- phone under magazines? 

Then again perhaps if any of us were caught unaware we might have various objects in ususual places.   

I thought you'd get around to plugging mooncups again sooner or later.

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From CAL's book:

Ann observed nothing amiss in the other upstairs rooms, but saw a thin belt with loose triangular type objects on both ends draped over the banister near Sheila’s room, which struck her as a little odd.

In a 23 July 2013 letter to the author Jeremy states: ‘The house was cleaned and tidied by Jean Bouttell and Ann many times in August/ September and they did not leave those socks there on the floor for five weeks so the police could seize them when they searched the house for a second time.’ Presumably the socks were put away and the police collected them. In the same letter, he writes of a pair of dark/ light blue tights seen draped over the banister on the upper landing, suggesting the tights had been used by police to wipe their hands, after which they had been rinsed out. But the tights were not wet; they are two-tone, with clearly defined stitching between the two colours.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm.

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So I was right about them after all. 

I seem to remember a photo taken from the master bedroom looking towards Sheila's door where you could see a belt on the banister rail.

I think the feathery item on the kitchen table was a fishing float?

[Holly Goodhead]

I thought you'd get around to plugging mooncups again sooner or later.

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From CAL's book:

Ann observed nothing amiss in the other upstairs rooms, but saw a thin belt with loose triangular type objects on both ends draped over the banister near Sheila’s room, which struck her as a little odd.

In a 23 July 2013 letter to the author Jeremy states: ‘The house was cleaned and tidied by Jean Bouttell and Ann many times in August/ September and they did not leave those socks there on the floor for five weeks so the police could seize them when they searched the house for a second time.’ Presumably the socks were put away and the police collected them. In the same letter, he writes of a pair of dark/ light blue tights seen draped over the banister on the upper landing, suggesting the tights had been used by police to wipe their hands, after which they had been rinsed out. But the tights were not wet; they are two-tone, with clearly defined stitching between the two colours.

Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm.

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So I was right about them after all. 

I seem to remember a photo taken from the master bedroom looking towards Sheila's door where you could see a belt on the banister rail.

I think the feathery item on the kitchen table was a fishing float?

I've just put the mooncup with the egg cups so it doesn't attraction attention!  Dont think anyone will attempt to use it as such due to its stem.

The tights ? look out of proportion from crotch to waist.  I'm not at all convinced that is what it is.  Unless they are something like this.  No idea what they look like from the front.  Do they extend to cover the breasts?  No idea.  I'm still inclined to see it as a halter neck top.  Why would June or SC put them there when they had their respective bedrooms? And it appears to me the weight is all on one side so how come they didn't slide off?

Have a little Google 'images of tights' and see what you think.  To my eye the distance from crotch to waist are out of synch.  I'll see ya on the forum next week then 

[Holly Goodhead]

The more I look at it the less it looks like a pair of tights:

- It doesn't look two tone but two different colours made of different fabrics. 
- Crinkled where the colours change indicating a different fabric.  Tights are normally one fabric and seamless other than a seam down the back of stockings/tights.
- If tights the waist area (width) looks larger than the crotch/thighs area (width) and would usually be the other way around to prevent them falling down and getting the Norah Batty look.  Unless they extend over the breasts but it doesn't look long enough for that. 

Where's Scipio when we need him most...he's usually an authority on most things...Scipio where are thou...what do you know about ladies hosiery?  Lots I bet