Does this sneer directed towards an ITN cameraman speak volumes.

[Holly Goodhead]

If they pass that test, put them in a ring with a 6'4" man and see how they fair.

Health and safety will only permit if the 6' 4" man isn't bleeding heavily internally and externally, in severe pain and hasn't lost total use of his left arm.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's not just the nails, it's everything else which goes along with firing so many shots in such a short space of time.  No GSR on Sheila or her clothing, few fingerprints on the rifle and none on the magazine or on any of the empty casings etc etc...

There just is no forensic evidence which connects Sheila with the firing of that rifle and that is where the entire defence argument falls down.

I agree the nails are a minor point but nevertheless it did form part of the prosecution case at trial.  Whether the defence attempted to counter this I've no idea but there's no evidence of any tests carried out.  So what we seem to have is a bunch of middle-aged males asserting if a female loaded the magazine twice, prepared the rifle for fire and fired 25 shots it would cause damage to her nails.  Let's see the evidence?

The absence of GSR doesn't indicate innocence:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6629.msg272805#msg272805

Fingerprints are notoriously difficult to lift from many surfaces firearms being one such surface due to texture and gun oil.  Hence only one fingerprint from JB and SC:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6547.msg268158#msg268158

No fingerprints found on silencer either despite being handled by relatives without gloves.

[Holly Goodhead]

I've got a better idea, which needs only one healthy but desperate participant. Grow your nails to a suitable length, then make a return trip to your beloved gunsmith and ask if you can let one off in their back room (an Anschutz, I mean). Video your beautifully manicured and painted fingernails before, during and after loading the magazine twice, then upload it to Youtube for us to see how many you broke.

For more authenticity and extra titillation, I'd prefer it if you wore a rig-out similar to Farm Girl's. 

I think we need a representative sample of females rather than one healthy but desperate participant! 

I'm sure I could arrange a further visit to the gunsmith and carry out all manner of tests on site and off eg secluded land for test firing. 

[John]

I agree the nails are a minor point but nevertheless it did form part of the prosecution case at trial.  Whether the defence attempted to counter this I've no idea but there's no evidence of any tests carried out.  So what we seem to have is a bunch of middle-aged males asserting if a female loaded the magazine twice, prepared the rifle for fire and fired 25 shots it would cause damage to her nails.  Let's see the evidence?

The absence of GSR doesn't indicate innocence:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6629.msg272805#msg272805

Fingerprints are notoriously difficult to lift from many surfaces firearms being one such surface due to texture and gun oil.  Hence only one fingerprint from JB and SC:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6547.msg268158#msg268158

No fingerprints found on silencer either despite being handled by relatives without gloves.

It might not be conclusive but it sure as hell points to her non culpability.

[Holly Goodhead]

It might not be conclusive but it sure as hell points to her non culpability.

Modern forensics shows that a lack of GSR means diddly-squat and lack of fingerprints on firearms is the norm.  How can this point to SC's non culpability?

[John]

Modern forensics shows that a lack of GSR means diddly-squat and lack of fingerprints on firearms is the norm.  How can this point to SC's non culpability?

The converse is what you have to prove and as it stands there is no evidence Sheila handled the rifle.  And for what its worth it is most unlikely that situation will ever change despite forensic advances.

[Holly Goodhead]

The converse is what you have to prove and as it stands there is no evidence Sheila handled the rifle.  And for its worth it is most unlikely that situation will ever change despite forensic advances.

It depends what the objective is eg proving a point on a forum between posters or points that will assist JB at any future appeal.  GSR and fingerprints didn't even form part of the prosecution case at trial.  Bizarrely SC's intact nails and lack of lead on her hands did form part of the prosecution case at trial.  Lack of lead can almost certainly be accounted for by the actual bullets used which, were designed specifically to minimise any residues, were not the same as those used by scientists in tests and subsequently presented to the jury.

[John]

It depends what the objective is eg proving a point on a forum between posters or points that will assist JB at any future appeal.  GSR and fingerprints didn't even form part of the prosecution case at trial.  Bizarrely SC's intact nails and lack of lead on her hands did form part of the prosecution case at trial.  Lack of lead can almost certainly be accounted for by the actual bullets used which, were designed specifically to minimise any residues, were not the same as those used by scientists in tests and subsequently presented to the jury.

There will never be another appeal Holly, Jeremy Bamber's fate was sealed by his own actions.

[Holly Goodhead]

There will never be another appeal Holly, Jeremy Bamber's fate was sealed by his own actions.

John, I rather suspect that if JB's conviction is quashed by CoA, as I believe it will be, you will still continue to believe him guilty as charged at his 1986 trial. 

[Daisy]

John, I rather suspect that if JB's conviction is quashed by CoA, as I believe it will be, you will still continue to believe him guilty as charged at his 1986 trial.

Sorry Holly but Jeremy has had 30 years and many lawyers, law students and friends working for him and he is still no nearer having another appeal.  If there was any evidence to prove his innocence then a lawyer would have found it.  It would also significantly enhance his/her career.  Unfortunately he is a lost cause and as each year goes by there is less and less interest in him.  Very sad but that is the truth.

[Holly Goodhead]

Sorry Holly but Jeremy has had 30 years and many lawyers, law students and friends working for him and he is still no nearer having another appeal. If there was any evidence to prove his innocence then a lawyer would have found it.  It would also significantly enhance his/her career.  Unfortunately he is a lost cause and as each year goes by there is less and less interest in him.  Very sad but that is the truth.

I have to disagree Daisy.  When I look at many high profile MoJ's across the world, including other forms of injustice eg Stephen Lawrence and Hillsborough, lawyers have not been the driving force at getting to the truth:

- Bridgwater Four - Ann Whelan (Mother of Michael Hickey) and campaiging journalist Paul Foot

- Stephen Downing - Family and editor of Matlock Mercury Don Hale

- David Bain - Joe Karam former New Zealand international rugby player

- Stephen Lawrence - Doreen Lawrence (Mother)

- Hillsborough - Families

- Amanda Knox and Rafaelle Sollecito - Families and a diverse group of friends and supporters

JB has been severely handicapped by lack of family support and sadly the vaccuum has been filled by a number of cranks over the years.  David Bain was without family support but he benefitted from Joe Karam. 

I firmly believe that JB and his supporters have every reason to feel confident and optimistic that the truth will eventually out. 

[Myster]

The truth's already out, it has been for quite a long time... and it's patently obvious that he doesn't have any close family support because he murdered them all.

I think it's time for your weary annual prediction which is always hopelessly innacurate and will never be fulfilled. You ready and waiting, sika?

[Holly Goodhead]

The truth's already out, it has been for quite a long time... and it's patently obvious that he doesn't have any close family support because he murdered them all.

I think it's time for your weary annual prediction which is always hopelessly innacurate and will never be fulfilled. You ready and waiting, sika?

"The wheels of justice turn slowly but grind exceedingly fine."

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[scipio_usmc]

Modern forensics shows that a lack of GSR means diddly-squat and lack of fingerprints on firearms is the norm.  How can this point to SC's non culpability?

This is blatantly false.  A lack of GSR is a significant point used to acquit UNLESS the killer had opportunity and motive to do something to wash away GSR.change.

You make up your own BS constantly and just demonstrate how biased and ridiculous you are in the process.

[puglove]

"The wheels of justice turn slowly but grind exceedingly fine."

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Blimey Holl, it's been 30 years and sod-all to show for it....if they turn much slower and grind much finer, he'll be having his sprouts intravenously.