Does this sneer directed towards an ITN cameraman speak volumes.

[John]

I pinched the following short video clip from the other place as the event is something which has always intrigued me.

Jeremy Bamber had just left court having been remanded in custody on five charges of murder and had up until this point maintained his composure for the sake of the cameras.  An ITN cameraman continued to film however and caught these last few seconds through the side windows of the prison transit van.



It clearly was a sneer but why then?

Was this for a split second, the real Jeremy?

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[Myster]

The frown was because he'd realised his plan had been rumbled... and grin appeared when the cameraman shouted - "SAY CHEESE!"

Cue Holly - "You can't tell anything from a person's expression!"

[John]

The frown was because he'd realised his plan had been rumbled... and grin appeared when the cameraman shouted - "SAY CHEESE!"

Cue Holly - "You can't tell anything from a person's expression!"

If you look closely at the reflection in the side window you can just about see someone walk into shot.  Maybe the sneer was for their benefit?

[Holly Goodhead]

The frown was because he'd realised his plan had been rumbled... and grin appeared when the cameraman shouted - "SAY CHEESE!"

Cue Holly - "You can't tell anything from a person's expression!"

That's not strictly true, if it was we wouldn't have body language experts, but I don't think it's possible to determine the underlying emotions without understanding the circumstances/stimuli.  In the case of the JB clip above he was actually smiling at his friends and supporters who stood outside court to show their support:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/video/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-new-evidence-video

@ 11.20 in

I'm sure we can all picture images of notorious criminals driven in and out of court in secure vehicles with a baying public and a handful breaking police barriers to bang on the vehicle. Where was the baying crowd when JB appeared at court?

I thought lessons might have been learned after Christopher Jefferies/Joanna Yeates but sadly not 

I can appreciate others not sharing my views on JB's case based on the main aspects eg phone calls, JM's testimony, silencer etc, etc but an attempt to draw something meaningful from the above is imo nothing other than a modern day witch hunt and the sort of low level debate I have come to expect from the Blue Forum. 

I suspect many would like to put me on witches chair over my support for JB   

PS Myster is it poss to add times to non YouTube links? 

[puglove]

I pinched the following short video clip from the other place as the event is something which has always intrigued me.

Jeremy Bamber had just left court and had up until this point maintained his composure for the sake of the cameras.  An ITN cameraman continued to film however and caught these last few seconds through the side windows of the prison transit.



It clearly was a sneer but why then?

Was this for a split second, the real Jeremy?

Ugh. Not a shred of grief for his dead family, or incredulity at being arrested for a crime he didn't commit. The arrogant, fish-faced git.

I wonder how he's getting on playing hunt-the-carbolic with Mick Philpott?     

[Myster]

That's not strictly true, if it was we wouldn't have body language experts, but I don't think it's possible to determine the underlying emotions without understanding the circumstances/stimuli.  In the case of the JB clip above he was actually smiling at his friends and supporters who stood outside court to show their support:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/video/2011/jan/30/jeremy-bamber-new-evidence-video

@ 11.20 in

I'm sure we can all picture images of notorious criminals driven in and out of court in secure vehicles with a baying public and a handful breaking police barriers to bang on the vehicle. Where was the baying crowd when JB appeared at court?
I thought lessons might have been learned after Christopher Jefferies/Joanna Yeates but sadly not 

I can appreciate others not sharing my views on JB's case based on the main aspects eg phone calls, JM's testimony, silencer etc, etc but an attempt to draw something meaningful from the above is imo nothing other than a modern day witch hunt and the sort of low level debate I have come to expect from the Blue Forum. 

I suspect many would like to put me on witches chair over my support for JB   

PS Myster is it poss to add times to non YouTube links?

His eyes followed the video camera, not his friends' faces (if he had any by that time).

I noticed in the Guardian video that the moderator on a blue background is not the one with the blood, scratches and embedded paint which was analyzed. Probably one handed in later by the relatives.

I don't know any way of adding times to other video types, but some geeky McCannic might.

Put a selfie up and if we see you've got a stubbly chin and warty nose, then you're definitely for the ducking stool.

[Holly Goodhead]

His eyes followed the video camera, not his friends' faces (if he had any by that time).

I noticed in the Guardian video that the moderator on a blue background is not the one with the blood, scratches and embedded paint which was analyzed. Probably one handed in later by the relatives.

I don't know any way of adding times to other video types, but some geeky McCannic might.

Put a selfie up and if we see you've got a stubbly chin and warty nose, then you're definitely for the ducking stool.

He said he was smiling at his friends and supporters.  As he walks into the court he looks to the right and smiles and then to the left where you can see a group of young males smiling.  There's an image in the reflection of the vehicle window which I think might be his solicitor at the time Bruce Bowler.  I recognise the dodgy hair and style.  A sort of wiry birds nest.  If the locals thought he was responsible why were they not shouting abuse and pelting him with eggs?

No fear...I don't want you lot mass debating over me 

You're right I'm on my best behaviour on IA no mass debating and I've even dropped my Goodhead! 

[Holly Goodhead]

Ugh. Not a shred of grief for his dead family, or incredulity at being arrested for a crime he didn't commit. The arrogant, fish-faced git.

I wonder how he's getting on playing hunt-the-carbolic with Mick Philpott?     

I think he's always kept well stocked up with soap from his female supporters in an attempt to keep him on the straight and narrow 

And no I'm not one of his female supporters in that sense.  I'm currently half watching RSA -V- Wales rugby 2015 world cup ie I prefer real men.  Contrast these guys with JB circa mid 80's. 

[anglolawyer]

Golly!   You guys attach weight to this crap?   Oh dear.

[Myster]

Golly!   You guys attach weight to this crap?   Oh dear.

Naahh, it's just a bit of tongue-in-cheek entertainment to pass time while we're all completely bambered... but I still don't trust shifty-looking chancers whose eyebrows meet in the middle.

I was expecting earth-shattering evidence from these two recent books, but all we got was a regurgitation of material from previous authors and the net, and a questionable lag's letter fantasizing about puppet-master Bamber standing behind Sheila, pulling her strings, directing the shots, and reloading the magazine.

[APRIL]

Naahh, it's just a bit of tongue-in-cheek entertainment to pass time while we're all completely bambered... but I still don't trust shifty-looking chancers whose eyebrows meet in the middle.

I was expecting earth-shattering evidence from these two recent books, but all we got was a regurgitation of material from previous authors and the net, and a questionable lag's letter fantasizing about puppet-master Bamber standing behind Sheila, pulling her strings, directing the shots, and reloading the magazine.

I think, just for a moment, there was a significant holding of breath on both red and blue, both hoping for something miraculous -and hitherto, unknown- to be revealed. I haven't read PH's offering but there was a remarkably good and insightful Bamber background given by CAL. Other than that, I think that between red and blue, we could produce more about the case than all previous authors put together. Chances are we may already have given ideas to some.

[Holly Goodhead]

Naahh, it's just a bit of tongue-in-cheek entertainment to pass time while we're all completely bambered... but I still don't trust shifty-looking chancers whose eyebrows meet in the middle.

I was expecting earth-shattering evidence from these two recent books, but all we got was a regurgitation of material from previous authors and the net, and a questionable lag's letter fantasizing about puppet-master Bamber standing behind Sheila, pulling her strings, directing the shots, and reloading the magazine.

As I've said previously I have reason to believe another book is in the making with an altogether different edge!  Nothing concrete  . Author not H G Wells.

[Myster]

As I've said previously I have reason to believe another book is in the making with an altogether different edge!  Nothing concrete  . Author not H G Wells.

There's a clue in there somewhere  &%+((£ ... but it needs a Philadelphia lawyer anglolawyer to work it out.

[david1819]

I pinched the following short video clip from the other place as the event is something which has always intrigued me.

Jeremy Bamber had just left court and had up until this point maintained his composure for the sake of the cameras.  An ITN cameraman continued to film however and caught these last few seconds through the side windows of the prison transit.



It clearly was a sneer but why then?

Was this for a split second, the real Jeremy?

That's incorrect. This was taken when he was re arrested once he returned from holiday September 29th 1985. 

[Myster]

That's incorrect. This was taken when he was re arrested once he returned from holiday September 29th 1985.

John's right - he was leaving court after a short appearance.  ITN news footage, see beginning (entering) and end (leaving)...

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1985/09/30/AS300985018/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1