Does this sneer directed towards an ITN cameraman speak volumes.

[Daisy]

I think proof of innocence or guilt can be found by today's science and technology.  What was available at the time of the investigation/JB's trial is radically different compared with now.

- Ballistics testing on rifle/ammo with silencer to determine whether 'draw-back' is possible.

- Analyse blood using conventional serology: antigens, enzymes and protein after subjecting to the same conditions as the 'flake' underwent: firing of rifle/hot gases and ambient temperature over 5 weeks

- Test whether females long polished finger nails are able to prepare rifle for fire and fire 25 rounds without causing damage to nails and polish.

- Test how many times novices need to observe an experienced handler prepare the weapon for fire before they are able to accomplish. 

- Complete tests on the scratch marks found on the aga.  As I understand it the CCRC rejected Peter Sutherst's evidence based on another expert (Andy Law off the top of my head) criticising his methods rather than the conclusion. 

- Review of SoC using crime scene photos enhanced by modern technology eg location of casings to determine who was shot where exactly.

- Review of pathological evidence with particular emphasis on the wounds NB sustained upstairs to determine whether or not he was capable of entering into a violent struggle downstairs.

- Review of June and SC's psychiatric histories based on experts using modern psychiatry/psychology and neuroscience.

- Test bullets used and compare any chemical deposits left on hands; it appears bullets tested for trial compared with SC's hand swabs were different from the actual bullets used. 

Only the above can assist JB.  He is not entitled to legal aid and I see no evidence of JB or his campaign team fund raising.  IMO poring over case docs is not the way forward.  If there's anything incriminating for the prosecution it will surely be long gone ie destroyed not held under PII?  Paperwork that gives the appearance of assisting the defence eg call from NB to EP will simply be written off by CCRC.

Can you think of any tests?

Much of what we discuss on the forums and is presented in the media is irrelevant.  Only new evidence that is measurable by established branches of science can assist JB now.

I'll come back to you later re the other points.

I am sure Jeremy has gone through every scenario with a fine tooth comb. If I trawl through the many documents I have I could probably find  answers to many of your questions. You are obviously intelligent and have a real interest in the case. Have you thought of joining the campaign team? They are going nowhere at the moment and think they have lost momentum. You may be looking too deeply though. These murders were carefully planned and the shots were on target. I cannot believe Sheila was capable with or without medication. As I know Jeremy and have spent many hours with him I don't want to believe he could be capable but it is becoming increasingly likely that he carried out this terrible act.

[Holly Goodhead]

I am sure Jeremy has gone through every scenario with a fine tooth comb. If I trawl through the many documents I have I could probably find  answers to many of your questions. You are obviously intelligent and have a real interest in the case. Have you thought of joining the campaign team? They are going nowhere at the moment and think they have lost momentum. You may be looking too deeply though. These murders were carefully planned and the shots were on target. I cannot believe Sheila was capable with or without medication. As I know Jeremy and have spent many hours with him I don't want to believe he could be capable but it is becoming increasingly likely that he carried out this terrible act.

 &%+((£ hmmm...I think it's more a dogged belief, rightly or wrongly, that JB is the victim of a MoJ.  I imagine JB struggling to get to get grips with his case on the basis that he only has access to limited resources but I might be wrong.  He has said in the past not having access to the internet is a  handicap.  Perhaps the tests I have suggested above have been carried out in the past?  What makes you think SC was incapable? 

I don't really know what goes on with the CT.  Perhaps they play their cards close to their chests?  I don't think I would fit in with JB and the CT    For a start I totally disagree with JB's blogs re his family and the bake-off etc.  Imo he should focus on the case alone.  All the other stuff is inappropriate and irrelevant at this stage.  He could record his thoughts in a diary and publish them if his conviction is ever quashed.  Meanwhile he has friends and supporters to discuss with privately.  It is often said any publicity is good publicity but I don't agree in JB's case.  How has the bake-off helped further his cause?  As far as I can see it hasn't.  In fact the complete opposite has happened as the media, public and victim support groups have alienated him further.  If he's innocent its a harsh fact that in the eyes of the law he is guilty as charged and JB and those around him need to be mindful of this. 

I also disagree with singling out prosecution witnesses for personal attack:

http://jeremybamber.org/julie-mugford/

Claiming JM was from a working class background is again inappropriate and irrelevant.  The video is cringe- making imo.  It will not carry any weight with the media, judiciary or public at large and in fact like the bake-off might well turn off potential supporters.  Highlighting the many inconsistencies in her testimony is about the limit.

I will have to take a look at other recent campaigns that have been successful eg Amanda Knox and Rafaelle Sollecito  &%+((£       

[Myster]

I don't know which woman of the campaign team is narrating that god awful video... but her voice is full of sarcastic venomous spite!


It's enough to turn anyone off, whether sympathetic to his case or not!!! 

[Daisy]

I don't know which woman of the campaign team is narrating that god awful video... but her voice is full of sarcastic venomous spite!


It's enough to turn anyone off, whether sympathetic to his case or not!!! 
[/quote

I seem to remember Jeremy saying they use an actor and actress for the videos.

[Daisy]

Why does it keep attaching my reply as part of the previous persons post? Help me out John!

[Daisy]

Holly what about the claim in CAL's book? If she is correct then Jeremy lied and what else has he lied about?

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly what about the claim in CAL's book? If she is correct then Jeremy lied and what else has he lied about?

I don't have CAL's book to hand at the mo.  I'll check it out later.  The following is from the CoA:

279. In evidence the appellant stated that he had returned to the farm the night after his release or the night after that – i.e. on the 14 or 15 September. In evidence he said:

"After my arrest at Chelmsford I went to London, came back and had not got my key. I needed car documents kept in the office for a holiday and I got in the loo window. I left a note on B.Wilsons desk to ask her to pay my solicitors bills".

280. Had prosecuting counsel been informed that the appellant was in fact under surveillance and in London at the time a potentially devastating cross-examination followed by the calling of rebuttal evidence would have caused the defence much embarrassment. Mr Turner contends the matter could have been simply explained away as a mistake as to dates, the actual visit occurring on 16 or 17 September as in fact he had instructed his solicitors. We have seen his proof of evidence to that effect.

I don't really see any significance here.  We know for a fact JB went on a motoring hol to France taking his company owned (N & J Bamber Ltd) car.  It's the norm to take car docs when travelling in Europe eg insurance and recovery breakdown.  In fact I think it might be a legal requirement.  JB didn't own the car and therefore the docs were probably kept in the office at WHF.  He muddled up the dates. 

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/general_advice.html

For those who view JB as guilty it's easy to see any actions/behaviour as suspicious when in reality they might just be benign.

[Daisy]

You need to meet him Holly. It is easy to form an opinion without ever knowing the man. It is only by communicating closely with him that you can get a real feel for the case. Why do you think so many of his long term close friends have walked away from him? He has told lie after lie and in the end one loses trust in him. Sad to say but Jeremy has no hope of ever being released. I think with your enquiring mind  and speaking to him you may change your opinion.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't know which woman of the campaign team is narrating that god awful video... but her voice is full of sarcastic venomous spite!


It's enough to turn anyone off, whether sympathetic to his case or not!!! 
[/quote

I seem to remember Jeremy saying they use an actor and actress for the videos.

Hmmm Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction springs to mind.  The narrator sounds barking. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWhXP2jM28

[Holly Goodhead]

You need to meet him Holly. It is easy to form an opinion without ever knowing the man. It is only by communicating closely with him that you can get a real feel for the case. Why do you think so many of his long term close friends have walked away from him? He has told lie after lie and in the end one loses trust in him. Sad to say but Jeremy has no hope of ever being released. I think with your enquiring mind  and speaking to him you may change your opinion.

Daisy I wouldn't take anything JB said now seriously.  30 years incarcerated cant be good for mind, body or soul whether innocent or guilty.  If I could see results for the following tests supported the prosection case against JB that would certainly make me change my mind. 

- Ballistics testing on rifle/ammo with silencer to determine whether 'draw-back' is possible.

- Analyse blood using conventional serology: antigens, enzymes and protein after subjecting to the same conditions the 'flake' underwent: firing of rifle/hot gases and ambient temperature over 5 weeks

- Test whether females long polished finger nails are able to prepare rifle for fire and fire 25 rounds without causing damage to nails and polish.

- Test how many times novices need to observe an experienced handler prepare the weapon for fire before they are able to accomplish.

- Complete tests on the scratch marks found on the aga.  As I understand it the CCRC rejected Peter Sutherst's evidence based on another expert (Andy Law off the top of my head) criticising his methods rather than the conclusion.

- Review of SoC using crime scene photos enhanced by modern technology eg location of casings to determine who was shot where exactly.

- Review of pathological evidence with particular emphasis on the wounds NB sustained upstairs to determine whether or not he was capable of entering into a violent struggle downstairs.

- Review of June and SC's psychiatric histories based on expert opinion using modern psychiatry/psychology and neuroscience.

- Test bullets used and compare any chemical deposits left on hands; it appears bullets tested for trial compared with SC's hand swabs were different from the actual bullets used. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly what about the claim in CAL's book? If she is correct then Jeremy lied and what else has he lied about?

Daisy I've read the excerpt in CAL's book re JB entering WHF via a window post tragedy.  P334/5.  As far as I can see it's a repeat of what I posted from the CoA doc.  It seems JB gave the incorrect dates but I don't see the advantage to him in doing this.  Think he was genuinely mistaken.     

[Myster]

#54 looks like a wish-list you wish Daisy would finance, but I think she's seen the light after having her fingers burnt time and time again.

Thing is... when are you going to U-turn?  &%+((£

(Note to self: I must stop riddling my sentences with batty cliches).

[Myster]

Why does it keep attaching my reply as part of the previous persons post? Help me out John!

If you haven't yet worked it out, Daisy... I think you deleted the "]" after the second "/quote" by mistake.

[Daisy]

If you haven't yet worked it out, Daisy... I think you deleted the "]" after the second "/quote" by mistake.

Thank you Myster.

[Daisy]

Daisy I've read the excerpt in CAL's book re JB entering WHF via a window post tragedy.  P334/5.  As far as I can see it's a repeat of what I posted from the CoA doc.  It seems JB gave the incorrect dates but I don't see the advantage to him in doing this.  Think he was genuinely mistaken.     

Jeremy is very precise about every other date  so why would he be mistaken? You are doing what so many of his friends have done.....made excuses for him. We have seen the light and hope you do one day. I don't mean this unkindly.