Does this sneer directed towards an ITN cameraman speak volumes.

[Holly Goodhead]

Jeremy is very precise about every other date  so why would he be mistaken? You are doing what so many of his friends have done.....made excuses for him. We have seen the light and hope you do one day. I don't mean this unkindly.

Daisy I'm not sure I could be counted as JB's friends or vice-versa.  I've never met the guy or even spoken with him on the phone and unlikely to ever do so.  My contact has been limited to the exchange of a dozen or so pieces of correspondence over nearly 4 years.  As per my tagline it isn't all about JB; its about SC too.  I think SC and JB were placed in a totally unsuitable adoptive family.  There's no doubt the Bambers were decent people and well intentioned but the needs of babies/children placed for adoption must come first; not the needs of adoptive parents.  June Bamber should never have been approved to adopt with her long history of mental illness which was all bound up with her infertility and decision to adopt.  Prior to adopting SC June had already suffered a serious mental breakdown requiring in-patient psychiatric care and a further breakdown prior to adopting JB.  There's much evidence suggesting June had a very troubled relationship with SC and to a lesser degree JB too.  There's also academic research suggesting adoptive parents with strong religious beliefs might struggle to accept children born illegitimate which SC and JB were.  Had SC and JB have remained with their birth families or been adopted by a.n other family would SC have developed mental illness and would JB have been convicted of mass murder?  Had June have had birth children would she have experienced three breakdowns requiring in-patient psychiatric care?   

 

[Holly Goodhead]

#54 looks like a wish-list you wish Daisy would finance, but I think she's seen the light after having her fingers burnt time and time again.

Thing is... when are you going to U-turn?  &%+((£

(Note to self: I must stop riddling my sentences with batty cliches).

I made the offer to JB to fund some tests.  No response.  I know he received the email too. 

None of the tests I have suggested involve expensive materials so costs are in the main professional fees.  I doubt many charge more than £350 per hour.  A reasonable level of funding could wrap the case up one way or the other fairly swiftly.  I can't see any evidence of fund raising on the 'official' site.  Therefore the saga is ongoing    The idea there's some golden nugget in the case docs, whether released or held under pii, capable of getting past CCRC, let alone the CoA, is imo pie in the sky.

Without funding and further tests JB can expect many more Xmases on mushy sprouts and lovingly stroking many lathered up pussy soaps on rope 

[John]

I made the offer to JB to fund some tests.  No response.  I know he received the email too. 

None of the tests I have suggested involve expensive materials so costs are in the main professional fees.  I doubt many charge more than £350 per hour.  A reasonable level of funding could wrap the case up one way or the other fairly swiftly.  I can't see any evidence of fund raising on the 'official' site.  Therefore the saga is ongoing    The idea there's some golden nugget in the case docs, whether released or held under pii, capable of getting past CCRC, let alone the CoA, is imo pie in the sky.

Without funding and further tests JB can expect many more Xmases on mushy sprouts and lovingly stroking many lathered up pussy soaps on rope 

I don't believe any tests will do any good at this stage Holly.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't believe any tests will do any good at this stage Holly.

We shall see...

[John]

We shall see...

Unless there are further breakthroughs in DNA analyses of course.

[Holly Goodhead]

Unless there are further breakthroughs in DNA analyses of course.

I dont believe DNA testing could be used for or against JB due to the fact it hadn't even been envisaged in 85/86 and therefore exhibits were not protected against contamination.

Imo the tests I have suggested have plenty of mileage. 

This forum asserts (along with the prosecution at trial) SC could not have loaded the gun without damaging her long manicured and polished nails.  So lets bring together a dozen or so females with long manicured and polished nails and ask them to load the mag twice and fire the rifle 25 times each and lets see what impact this has on their nails and polish if indeed any.  This in itself is clearly nowhere near enough to overturn JB's conviction but it's a point that is currently based on fiction not fact.

[puglove]

I dont believe DNA testing could be used for or against JB due to the fact it hadn't even been envisaged in 85/86 and therefore exhibits were not protected against contamination.

Imo the tests I have suggested have plenty of mileage. 

This forum asserts (along with the prosecution at trial) SC could not have loaded the gun without damaging her long manicured and polished nails.  So lets bring together a dozen or so females with long manicured and polished nails and ask them to load the mag twice and fire the rifle 25 times each and lets see what impact this has on their nails and polish if indeed any.  This in itself is clearly nowhere near enough to overturn JB's conviction but it's a point that is currently based on fiction not fact.

As long as the dozen or so females have the same mental, medication and coordination problems as Sheila did, Holl.

[Myster]

I've got a better idea, which needs only one healthy but desperate participant. Grow your nails to a suitable length, then make a return trip to your beloved gunsmith and ask if you can let one off in their back room (an Anschutz, I mean). Video your beautifully manicured and painted fingernails before, during and after loading the magazine twice, then upload it to Youtube for us to see how many you broke.

For more authenticity and extra titillation, I'd prefer it if you wore a rig-out similar to Farm Girl's. 

[APRIL]

I've got a better idea, which needs only one healthy but desperate participant. Grow your nails to a suitable length, then make a return trip to your beloved gunsmith and ask if you can let one off in their back room (an Anschutz, I mean). Video your beautifully manicured and painted fingernails before, during and after loading the magazine twice, then upload it to Youtube for us to see how many you broke.

For more authenticity and extra titillation, I'd prefer it if you wore a rig-out similar to Farm Girl's. 

Sorry Myster, a Farm Girl rig-out is nowhere near enough. It needs to be someone with the same degree of gun handling knowledge/incompetence as Sheila. Her nails would have to be only as strong as were Sheila's and exactly the same length. Regarding the manicure, you'd need to ascertain whether Sheila had used an undercoat, how many coats of polish she'd applied and whether she'd applied a top coat. It would also be helpful to know how old was the manicure.

[Holly Goodhead]

As long as the dozen or so females have the same mental, medication and coordination problems as Sheila did, Holl.

Yes further tests would be required for to demonstrate the effects of very limited experience with firearms and potential coordintion issues due to Haloperidol. 

Has there ever been any professional opinion re use of firearms based on coordination/Haloperidol?  Or just AE's claims re pouring a cup of tea and putting beans on toast?

[Daisy]

Had Sheila carried out the murders she would have been highly emotional due to her state of mind. She would have fired in a chaotic way. These were carefully planned executions carried out by someone without emotion and all shots were on target. All other theories re painted nails, adoption and June's depression are irrelevant.

[sika]

I dont believe DNA testing could be used for or against JB due to the fact it hadn't even been envisaged in 85/86 and therefore exhibits were not protected against contamination.

Imo the tests I have suggested have plenty of mileage. 

This forum asserts (along with the prosecution at trial) SC could not have loaded the gun without damaging her long manicured and polished nails.  So lets bring together a dozen or so females with long manicured and polished nails and ask them to load the mag twice and fire the rifle 25 times each and lets see what impact this has on their nails and polish if indeed any.  This in itself is clearly nowhere near enough to overturn JB's conviction but it's a point that is currently based on fiction not fact.

If they pass that test, put them in a ring with a 6'4" man and see how they fair.

[John]

Had Sheila carried out the murders she would have been highly emotional due to her state of mind. She would have fired in a chaotic way. These were carefully planned executions carried out by someone without emotion and all shots were on target. All other theories re painted nails, adoption and June's depression are irrelevant.

I totally agree Daisy, the shots were all targeted very carefully, they were not the  actions of a mentally unbalanced young woman.

[John]

I dont believe DNA testing could be used for or against JB due to the fact it hadn't even been envisaged in 85/86 and therefore exhibits were not protected against contamination.

Imo the tests I have suggested have plenty of mileage. 

This forum asserts (along with the prosecution at trial) SC could not have loaded the gun without damaging her long manicured and polished nails.  So lets bring together a dozen or so females with long manicured and polished nails and ask them to load the mag twice and fire the rifle 25 times each and lets see what impact this has on their nails and polish if indeed any.  This in itself is clearly nowhere near enough to overturn JB's conviction but it's a point that is currently based on fiction not fact.

It's not just the nails, it's everything else which goes along with firing so many shots in such a short space of time.  No GSR on Sheila or her clothing, few fingerprints on the rifle and none on the magazine or on any of the empty casings etc etc...

There just is no forensic evidence which connects Sheila with the firing of that rifle and that is where the entire defence argument falls down.

[Holly Goodhead]

Had Sheila carried out the murders she would have been highly emotional due to her state of mind. She would have fired in a chaotic way. These were carefully planned executions carried out by someone without emotion and all shots were on target. All other theories re painted nails, adoption and June's depression are irrelevant.

All shots fired at victims were less than than 3 feet away.  Most shots were fired when the victims were stationary.  How could anyone miss?  If JB was responsible, a marksman at Greshams, why did he allow NB to flee the main bedroom?

SC's nails formed part of the prosecution case at trial.

Adoption and June's depression didn't form part of the defence case at trial as what is known now in terms of psychiatry/psychology/neuroscience wasn't known then but there's potential for this to be used at any future appeal.