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Offline misty

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #165 on: November 04, 2015, 09:57:19 PM »
How is it different to the mccanns begging bowl? Of 8 years? Plus and especially when theyve had many millions more than the begging bowl

In many ways it is far more transparent and moral....Amarals fund is for monies to defend hmself (one aim and a limit on what was needed)  whilst being straightjacketed by the mccanns, and reading that facebook entry shocked me when reading Kate Mccann wanted Amaral to divorce so she could benefit wtf??, the Mccanns fund was alledgedly to look for Madeleine but not much of it was spent on that was it? And their fund has not been transparent.

I suggest you put behind you your prejudice and hatred of the man, it may leave you open to a clearer mind
If you cant see this IS a david and goliath situation, well, thats that then


Are you actually defending those open letters to 2 popstars which beg for money for a foreigner's retirement fund?  Dearie me.
How much searching for Madeleine are Amaral & his merry bunch of retired ex-detective mates currently undertaking in the name of justice for her?

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #166 on: November 04, 2015, 10:10:19 PM »

Are you actually defending those open letters to 2 popstars which beg for money for a foreigner's retirement fund?  Dearie me.
How much searching for Madeleine are Amaral & his merry bunch of retired ex-detective mates currently undertaking in the name of justice for her?

Its none of your business what funds they might want to raise
And its not up to Amaral to raise funds to look for Madeleine, do you actually know what you are saying? The parents have had millions poured in so why do you want his defence fund his housd and pension?

It was the parents responsibility to safeguard her, they took big risks and now they want someone else to pay? Ie in monetary value? Purleese

How about the Mccanns total fund , house and future pensions be removed? And what was that abut Kate Mccann asking for ghem to get divorced?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #167 on: November 04, 2015, 10:11:57 PM »
Its none of your business what funds they might want to raise
And its not up to Amaral to raise funds to look for Madeleine, do you actually know what you are saying? The parents have had millions poured in so why do you want his defence fund his housd and pension?

It was the parents responsibility to safeguard her, they took big risks and now they want someone else to pay? Ie in monetary value? Purleese

How about the Mccanns total fund , house and future pensions be removed?

the mccanns aren't the ones that have broken the law amaral has

Offline misty

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #168 on: November 04, 2015, 10:24:38 PM »
Its none of your business what funds they might want to raise
And its not up to Amaral to raise funds to look for Madeleine, do you actually know what you are saying? The parents have had millions poured in so why do you want his defence fund his housd and pension?

It was the parents responsibility to safeguard her, they took big risks and now they want someone else to pay? Ie in monetary value? Purleese

How about the Mccanns total fund , house and future pensions be removed? And what was that abut Kate Mccann asking for ghem to get divorced?


Equally, then, it's none of your business how the McCanns wish to use money donated to them by wealthy benefactors.
It's no business of yours how much SY spend on trying to do what Amaral & his team were paid to do, but failed.
It's no business of your yours what actions the McCanns have to legally take to ensure Amaral does not profit in any way from his book of scurrilous allegations.
The McCanns have lost their daughter. She is priceless.

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #169 on: November 04, 2015, 10:32:43 PM »

Equally, then, it's none of your business how the McCanns wish to use money donated to them by wealthy benefactors.
It's no business of yours how much SY spend on trying to do what Amaral & his team were paid to do, but failed.
It's no business of your yours what actions the McCanns have to legally take to ensure Amaral does not profit in any way from his book of scurrilous allegations.
The McCanns have lost their daughter. She is priceless.

Emotional blackmail and manipulation rarely works

Offline John

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #170 on: November 04, 2015, 11:36:48 PM »
Topic please. TY
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline misty

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #171 on: November 04, 2015, 11:54:36 PM »
Emotional blackmail and manipulation rarely works

Sofia Leal tried that strategy with her open letter to Kate McCann. Do you think it influenced people to support the "underdog"?

Offline Benice

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #172 on: November 05, 2015, 08:54:22 AM »
Not misty I meant a reputable cite, not another supporter's fetid imaginings.

It seems to me that you have the same approach to screen shots as 'evidence' as you do to newspaper reports.
i.e. if they are 'pro' McCann articles then you quickly point out they are unreliable because they are newspaper reports  - but if they are 'anti' McCann in your eyes - then you promote them as reliable evidence.

Easy peasy to make a case against anyone about anything  - using those 'pick and choose'  tactics IMO.

Thank goodness SY don't work like that. 



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #173 on: November 05, 2015, 07:28:32 PM »
It seems to me that you have the same approach to screen shots as 'evidence' as you do to newspaper reports.
i.e. if they are 'pro' McCann articles then you quickly point out they are unreliable because they are newspaper reports  - but if they are 'anti' McCann in your eyes - then you promote them as reliable evidence.

Easy peasy to make a case against anyone about anything  - using those 'pick and choose'  tactics IMO.

Thank goodness SY don't work like that.
I have asked Faithlilly for a list of sources that meet with her approval but so far it hasn't been forthcoming.  I guess as you say  it depends very much on what the source is saying.

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #174 on: November 05, 2015, 07:38:31 PM »
Sofia Leal tried that strategy with her open letter to Kate McCann. Do you think it influenced people to support the "underdog"?

In your opinion, whereas the only simple fact is that it was a response to an attack on her husband via two fronts by K Mccann...if your wife was slagged off I dread to think what your words  in response might be, and in that vein, KM got off very lightly

I thought it was rather a measured and good response, do read it again! It is here towards the last quarter of the page

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id163.html

Offline Brietta

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #175 on: November 05, 2015, 08:01:19 PM »
In your opinion, whereas the only simple fact is that it was a response to an attack on her husband via two fronts by K Mccann...if your wife was slagged off I dread to think what your words  in response might be, and in that vein, KM got off very lightly

I thought it was rather a measured and good response, do read it again! It is here towards the last quarter of the page

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id163.html

An absolutely unprecedented event which leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth of all but people who may not know what appropriate behaviour is.
What on earth did she think she was doing?

**Snip
" To finish, on the intimate subject of Gonçalo Amaral, I can only tell you that he is exactly as the Latinos have a reputation for: a wild one, and my modesty does not allow me to say any more."  Sofia Leal
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #176 on: November 05, 2015, 08:04:42 PM »
How so cherrypickingly predictable and droll

The whole letter

Open letter: Wife of Gonçalo Amaral reacts with irony to attack by Kate
 
17 September 2008 - 00h30
Thanks to Joana Morais for translation
 
Open letter to Mrs Kate Healy

Dear Madam,

You will forgive my boldness, but after I read your comment (in an interview to Expresso newspaper) concerning Gonçalo Amaral, my husband and the father of my daughters, I cannot avoid sending you these words of gratefulness. For many years, I have been trying to make myself heard in this sentiment that unites us both: "…as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace."
 


Look at it closely:

a) Professionally

- As a Coordinator of Criminal Investigation for the Polícia Judiciária, my husband has always refused to sit around from 9 to 5 in the comfortable chair in his office, as his hierarchical status implies. Instead, he spent the day (and very often, the night) with the investigators on the terrain, coordinating searches, surveillances, apprehensions and other diligences 'in loco'. A disgrace!

But if it was only the fact that he was subject to the weather, it wouldn't be serious, as our climate is not too bad, as you know. The problem is that this dedication to the cause has earned him a non promotion in his career. Indeed, I will explain this to you, even because this case happened when the searches for your daughter were under way. My husband applied to the category of Superior Coordinator, and in between drug apprehensions, sequestrations and homicides, he somehow managed to produce a thesis about drug trafficking by sea, which he defended in Lisbon, in front of a Jury that congratulated him. Full of hope, Gonçalo Amaral returns to the Algarve and awaits the result. To his surprise, he was passed over by other colleagues (real coordinators, truth be told), because he had not been able to score points in the "professional formation" parameter. That's right, Mrs Kate, my husband spent his life working, involved in complex investigations, he was the man who apprehended the highest volumes of drugs in Portugal, but given the fact that he had no time to go to Lisbon to parade himself up and down the corridors of the PJ's Institute, he was not promoted. A disgrace, madam, a disgrace!

- As you probably know, even because you seem like a very well informed person to me, my husband's salary was less than 1.5 times the lowest salary in your country. But as a wife, as a mother and as a Portuguese citizen, I can't complain, because Gonçalo Amaral's salary was equal to 4.5 times the lowest salary in Portugal. But pay attention to the following, which is an example of what I'm going to explain next: At some point, an individual shoots a member of the PSP [urban police] and flees into neighbouring Spain. A PJ team follows him, including my husband. They stayed there for over two weeks. Now at that time, the international expense coverage was around 100 euros. As you can easily imagine, it's not possible to sleep and eat in Spain with this amount of money, much less shortly before Christmas and taking into account that the value will only be paid at around Easter time (if one's lucky). But Gonçalo Amaral never refused, not even for one day, to search for the escaped murderer, relaying the expenses onto our family accounts. And this is just one example among many. At some point in time, I suggested that we should create a fund or something similar to deal with these extraordinary expenses, but he never listened to me. You see, we also have mortgages to pay around here… A disgrace, Mrs Kate, a disgrace!

b) As a person, his behaviour has also been a disgrace, because to begin with we could never distinguish that he even had a personal life, due to the manner in which he dealt with the profession that he embraced. But if my good friend Mrs Kate allows me, I can offer you some examples:

- 5 years ago, a child named Joana "disappeared". Her mother, just like you, Mrs Kate, tried to project the case into the media, but she didn't make it any further than SIC…

Eight days later, came the confessions and the evidence: during an incestuous act between mother and uncle, the child was beaten, then dismembered and her body dumped who knows where. Mother and uncle went to jail, in a process that was coordinated by Gonçalo Amaral and which earned them almost 20 years in jail, each. But let us go a bit back in time. The child died on the 12th of September. On Christmas eve, our family was reunited for prayer, when my husband asked me to prepare a bag with some food and warm clothes, because he had not carried out his Christmas act of penance. Can you, Mrs Kate, imagine where Gonçalo Amaral went on that Christmas night under heavy rain and thunder? He went to the Olhão Prison, where João Cipriano, Joana's uncle, a confessed murderer and a clinically diagnosed psychopath, is detained. According to my husband, to simply offer an alimony to some beggar was not a sacrifice to him. The fact that he embraced and shared his Christmas meal with João Cipriano was the sacrifice that he offered to God, in memory of Joana. Is this not a disgrace? You should also know that every year, on the 12th of September, my husband has a mass celebrated in memory of Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro. He says that nobody will ever remember the poor little girl again. Right, but they remember to unjustly accuse him of actions and crimes that he never committed. Isn't this a disgrace, Mrs Kate?

- There is a last episode that I will report to you, one that I still find hard to talk about. Last year, in May, we started to move our family to Portimão. My husband was supposed to enjoy a holiday period starting on the day after your daughter's disappearance. "For obvious reasons" that didn't happen. I started on a new job, looked for a house, moved house, and tried to integrate our daughters in new schools and new routines. All of this I did alone, without any help from my husband, who for obvious reasons, was looking for your daughter, Mrs Kate. In October, on his birthday, a week after our daughters started school, Gonçalo Amaral was dismissed and returned to Faro. This was supposed to be the time of the family's reunion and it turned out to be another separation. Isn't this a disgrace? Our daughters never managed to understand, and we never managed to explain to them what obvious reasons were those that rewarded in this manner a father who left his own daughters to go looking for a child that he had never met and whose parents had neglected her. It was a pity that my dear friend Mrs Kate was not around anymore at that date, because you could have been very helpful to me in explaining these "obvious reasons" that led to their father's dismissal, to our daughters.

Finally, I can only report to you that intimately, Gonçalo Amaral is precisely what the latinos are famed for: shameless, as my pudency does not allow me to write any further.

I ask you, my good friend, to forgive these confidences from a wife and mother, but I'm certain that you will understand. I finish this letter asking you to send your mother my most sincere praises. She sounded so sincere to me, when during an interview she referred that she felt like slapping the face of the person who left her grandchildren alone. She spoke so openly that she sounded like a genuine Portuguese grandmother…

My dear friend Mrs Kate, without wishing to bother you any further, I would like to request one last favour from you: now that you have started to tell some truths, please continue, and let the world hear the truth that it has been waiting for.

Best regards,
Sofia Leal
Wife and Mother of the Daughters of Gonçalo Amaral

« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 08:14:57 PM by mercury »

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #177 on: November 05, 2015, 08:09:11 PM »
How so cherrypickingly predictable and droll

 ?{)(**  they  adore the mcanns we know  it

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #178 on: November 05, 2015, 08:11:01 PM »
An absolutely unprecedented event which leaves a bit of a bad taste in the mouth of all but people who may not know what appropriate behaviour is.
What on earth did she think she was doing?

**Snip
" To finish, on the intimate subject of Gonçalo Amaral, I can only tell you that he is exactly as the Latinos have a reputation for: a wild one, and my modesty does not allow me to say any more."  Sofia Leal

It's called letting the world know he is a normal person and not the pantomime villain as portrayed by some.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015
« Reply #179 on: November 05, 2015, 08:15:53 PM »
It's called letting the world know he is a normal person and not the pantomime villain as portrayed by some.
some even think  it is funny to call him Amaral
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 08:25:01 PM by carlymichelle »