Gonçalo Amaral Legal Defence fund to be closed on 28 October 2015

[misty]

why are sooo touchy ahout GAs fund, where nothihg had been proven questionable about it, its a mere 50k or so, but the MULTi million non transparent Mccann fund is ok? In your books?

Nothing has been proven in any respect about GA's fund or the now-defunct GFM appeal.
I trust you were sensible enough not to donate.

[Benice]

He quotes Churchill because he has a very high regard for the UK Misty.

Remember when you read his thankyou note to his supporters (who made his appeal in this libel case possible), it is translated from portuguese, so the exact syntax is a result of translation.
BTW for comparision have a look at the thankyou note written by the directors of MFNSLU Ltd to their supporters in gratitude for enabling this case against Sr Amaral to be launched. Anyone got a link?

Is that so?  The impression I get from his book is that he thinks Brits regard Portugal as a third world country -  which  - in his opinion was being told what to do by big bully UK.

[stephen25000]

Is that so?  The impression I get from his book is that he thinks Brits regard Portugal as a third world country -  which  - in his opinion was being told what to do by big bully UK.

Actually, the impression given in this case, is that Brits think Portugal as a third world country.

One only has to see the disdain given to Portugal by the UK Tabloid press in the last 8 years.

[Brietta]

Actually, the impression given in this case, is that Brits think Portugal as a third world country.

One only has to see the disdain given to Portugal by the UK Tabloid press in the last 8 years.

Such silly prejudice doesn't appear to have affected the zeal of the present Policia Judicairia team in their cooperation with Scotland Yard in the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
Nor the thousands of Brits who have chosen Portugal as a place to live and work.

There certainly is quite a lot of discussion elsewhere on the internet about how the figures and the donations to Mr Amaral's appeal were massaged to misrepresent the sum collected and the number who chose to contribute to it.

In the absence of transparency I doubt any armchair detective with an interest will ever know the truth of the matter particularly with the merging of one fund into another and the sum involved hardly qualifying as a top priority for the fraud squad.
Wonder why no other Facebook account holder leapt into the breach when Ms Baulch stood down?

I would make a suggestion though as far as the GFM appeal for Goncalo Amaral is concerned.  Just imagine for one moment the name on it was Madeleine McCann with the same contingencies in place for the contributions involved and take it from there what opinions would be expressed about it.

[stephen25000]

Such silly prejudice doesn't appear to have affected the zeal of the present Policia Judicairia team in their cooperation with Scotland Yard in the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
Nor the thousands of Brits who have chosen Portugal as a place to live and work.

There certainly is quite a lot of discussion elsewhere on the internet about how the figures and the donations to Mr Amaral's appeal were massaged to misrepresent the sum collected and the number who chose to contribute to it.

In the absence of transparency I doubt any armchair detective with an interest will ever know the truth of the matter particularly with the merging of one fund into another and the sum involved hardly qualifying as a top priority for the fraud squad.
Wonder why no other Facebook account holder leapt into the breach when Ms Baulch stood down?

I would make a suggestion though as far as the GFM appeal for Goncalo Amaral is concerned.  Just imagine for one moment the name on it was Madeleine McCann with the same contingencies in place for the contributions involved and take it from there what opinions would be expressed about it.

It may have escaped your attention, but the Madeleine fund is still in operation, with very few donations.

I wonder how many people would have donated if they knew they would be paying for the mccanns personal and legal expenses, with a paltry amount actually being used to 'search' for Madeleine.

[Brietta]

It may have escaped your attention, but the Madeleine fund is still in operation, with very few donations.

I wonder how many people would have donated if they knew they would be paying for the mccanns personal and legal expenses, with a paltry amount actually being used to 'search' for Madeleine.

Don't be so silly ... Madeleine's Fund is transparent and audited ... in fact aren't we approaching the time of year when the number of paper clips used comes up for serious scrutiny and discussion.

One could hardly expect such a fund to be able to match the £10+million already spent by Operation Grange on a properly conducted investigation which incorporates the detective work paid for by contributors to Madeleine's Fund.

Nothing at all murky there and just as people are free to contribute to Mr Amaral's less than transparent funding ... those who may wish to contribute to Madeleine's Fund enjoy exactly the same privilege of being free to do what they wish with their own money.

Actually the defence fund for Mr Amaral is still accepting donations, so only the GFM appeal which has to meet particular requirements has closed down.
Bet the owners of the site never anticipated the comment and alleged multiples attracted by this one ... a very poor precedent which may very well have repercussions for the future. 

[stephen25000]

Don't be so silly ... Madeleine's Fund is transparent and audited ... in fact aren't we approaching the time of year when the number of paper clips used comes up for serious scrutiny and discussion.

One could hardly expect such a fund to be able to match the £10+million already spent by Operation Grange on a properly conducted investigation which incorporates the detective work paid for by contributors to Madeleine's Fund.

Nothing at all murky there and just as people are free to contribute to Mr Amaral's less than transparent funding ... those who may wish to contribute to Madeleine's Fund enjoy exactly the same privilege of being free to do what they wish with their own money.

Actually the defence fund for Mr Amaral is still accepting donations, so only the GFM appeal which has to meet particular requirements has closed down.
Bet the owners of the site never anticipated the comment and alleged multiples attracted by this one ... a very poor precedent which may very well have repercussions for the future.

Amaral's is a defense fund.

The mccanns is a ltd. company.

As to being transparent........................

[Benice]

Such silly prejudice doesn't appear to have affected the zeal of the present Policia Judicairia team in their cooperation with Scotland Yard in the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
Nor the thousands of Brits who have chosen Portugal as a place to live and work.

There certainly is quite a lot of discussion elsewhere on the internet about how the figures and the donations to Mr Amaral's appeal were massaged to misrepresent the sum collected and the number who chose to contribute to it.

In the absence of transparency I doubt any armchair detective with an interest will ever know the truth of the matter particularly with the merging of one fund into another and the sum involved hardly qualifying as a top priority for the fraud squad.
Wonder why no other Facebook account holder leapt into the breach when Ms Baulch stood down?

I would make a suggestion though as far as the GFM appeal for Goncalo Amaral is concerned.  Just imagine for one moment the name on it was Madeleine McCann with the same contingencies in place for the contributions involved and take it from there what opinions would be expressed about it.

I'm sure sceptics would have turned the same blind eye to a false total of donators being peddled  - as they have to the completely false total that has been allowed to stand on the GFM fund - and AFAIK - without even a whisper of criticism.   

Hang on - a squadron of pigs has just flown past my window!

IMO -  the truth is the McCanns would be torn to shreds and accused of deliberately and dishonestly misleading the public into believing they had far more supporters than was actually the case. 

[stephen25000]

I'm sure sceptics would have turned the same blind eye to a false total of donators being peddled  - as they have to the completely false total that has been allowed to stand on the GFM fund - and AFAIK - without even a whisper of criticism.   

Hang on - a squadron of pigs has just flown past my window!

IMO -  the truth is the McCanns would be torn to shreds and accused of deliberately and dishonestly misleading the public into believing they had far more supporters than was actually the case.

'..COMPLETELY FALSE TOTAL..'

You can back up that statement ?

[Benice]

'..COMPLETELY FALSE TOTAL..'

You can back up that statement ?

I don't need to it's there in black and white. 

The total displayed - of the number people who have donated - takes no account of the large number of repeat donators.

One person making 10 separate donations is still only one person - not 10 different people as the total displayed leads people to believe.

Agreed?

[Benice]

You asked a question about the GFM fund and I answered it.    i.e. The figure shown as the total number of people who have donated to GFM fund is false.  And all the deflecting in the world won't change that. 

[stephen25000]

You asked a question about the GFM fund and I answered it.    i.e. The figure shown as the total number of people who have donated to GFM fund is false.  And all the deflecting in the world won't change that.

So what.

People donated to Amaral.

Get over it.

[Alice Purjorick]

I'm sure sceptics would have turned the same blind eye to a false total of donators being peddled  - as they have to the completely false total that has been allowed to stand on the GFM fund - and AFAIK - without even a whisper of criticism.   

Hang on - a squadron of pigs has just flown past my window!

IMO -  the truth is the McCanns would be torn to shreds and accused of deliberately and dishonestly misleading the public into believing they had far more supporters than was actually the case.

Does any one really care how many donors there were in a situation where only the amount of dosh donated is relevant?
Both Amaral's Beer and Baccy Fund and Madeleine's Fund: LNSU Ltd are both begging bowls. Chuck in your money say bye bye to it and who knows what happens next. I don't see the difference really.

[Brietta]

Does any one really care how many donors there were in a situation where only the amount of dosh donated is relevant?
Both Amaral's Beer and Baccy Fund and Madeleine's Fund: LNSU Ltd are both begging bowls. Chuck in your money say bye bye to it and who knows what happens next. I don't see the difference really.

Only those who wish to magnify the supposed level of support ... by all accounts they put some effort into it.

[Alice Purjorick]

Only those who wish to magnify the supposed level of support ... by all accounts they put some effort into it.

Stands a chance it is merely down to the website method of totaling; but that has nowhere near the potential for scurrilous or mischief making remarks does it?