Do the McCanns have the same support eight years on?

[ferryman]

You keep saying that SY have hit a brick wall,  that there is no evidence of abduction.

Yet there is no evidence that they are following Amaral's theory is there?    All this money all this time,   if they believed Amaral's theory then it would have ended a long time ago wouldn't it?

Some Portuguese cop is supposedly have spoken to a journalist and said 'they don't know what happened to Madeleine,  they are no nearer knowing than they were in 2007'    well if that's the case,  they didn't believe Amaral's theory did they?

There is irrefutable proof that they are not following Amaral's theory.

The shelved enquiry concluded with the crime unsolved.

The follow-on enquiry has taken up the mantle from there.

Some people entertain (and promote) the fantasy that discarded and disproven lines of enquiry have been rekindled.

They haven't.

[Mr Gray]

It's not up to SY to declare 'innocence' or not.

That's a court does.

Meanwhile, no evidence of abduction which can'y point in a different direction.

A court does not declare anyone innocent
You are wrong

[Brietta]

There are also many people out there who don't believe the mccanns story, and have no sympathy for people who endangered their children, whilst they went out drinking and eating.

Uh huh ... the vast majority of whom rattle about in our tiny corner of the internet planning and plotting refinements to their eight year campaign to thwart and bad mouth the parents of a missing child in their every endeavour on her behalf and that of other missing people.

I am sure if the majority of normal people knew about the antics of some of them ... they would be incredulous to say the least.

It cannot be considered normal behaviour for people to devote time and effort and their lives to attempting to screw up further the lives of innocent individuals whose lives are already devastated and totally changed by the criminal action of a stranger.  For some reason you always seem to overlook the real villain of the peace here.

I think the vast majority of normal people interested only in getting on with their own lives would give unequivocal support to Madeleine's family getting on with theirs in peace and support them in their effort to find her.

[pathfinder73]

There is irrefutable proof that they are not following Amaral's theory.

The shelved enquiry concluded with the crime unsolved.

The follow-on enquiry has taken up the mantle from there.

Some people entertain (and promote) the fantasy that discarded and disproven lines of enquiry have been rekindled.

They haven't.

They have the same prime suspect and the only credible one in this case and SY had to get written permission to get the file.

"A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report."

[stephen25000]

I don't think at the stage it was done that it was for their lawful protection.  I think it was a mean, spiteful, vengeful act by a very petty little man who had nothing else going for him.

I believe it was a huge embarrassment to Portugal.  But it has had a lasting affect in some quarters and that is a huge pity given that there was no evidence to support it, which became patently obvious with the release of the files.

There is a silent majority out there who have neither read the files or care or who would never dream of enrolling to be 'educated' in Lizzie's academy of fantasy ... who will always give their support to a missing child and her family just because it is a right and proper humanitarian thing to do.

The vast majority of normal people knowing what the mccanns did, would only have sympathy for Madeleine.

If you think otherwise you are deluding yourself.

[Brietta]

The vast majority of normal people knowing what the mccanns did, would only have sympathy for Madeleine.

If you think otherwise you are deluding yourself.

I think you may be deluding yourself by being unable to see that support for Madeleine's parents = support for Madeleine herself.

I may very well have missed it, there have been so many over the years.  Perhaps you would be able to point to the campaign and petitions demanding that Madeleine McCann's case was reviewed with the objective of being re-opened if evidence was found to justify that by those who have adopted the mantra ... 'Justice for Madeleine'.

[stephen25000]

I think you may be deluding yourself by being unable to see that support for Madeleine's parents = support for Madeleine herself.

I may very well have missed it, there have been so many over the years.  Perhaps you would be able to point to the campaign and petitions demanding that Madeleine McCann's case was reviewed with the objective of being re-opened if evidence was found to justify that by those who have adopted the mantra ... 'Justice for Madeleine'.

It is her parents who put her in danger, TOTALLY UNNECESSARILY.

So support for Madeleine, does not mean supporting her parents.

[stephen25000]

It isn't known who removed Madeleine, or what crime occurred.

[Brietta]

It is her parents who put her in danger, TOTALLY UNNECESSARILY.

So support for Madeleine, does not mean supporting her parents.

Yet again you have entirely excused the perpetrator/s from culpability.  You also fail to recognise that going out of the way to organise campaigns to disrupt everything and anything done by her parents to advance Madeleine McCann's cause is the absolute opposite of supporting Madeleine.

[stephen25000]

Yet again you have entirely excused the perpetrator/s from culpability.  You also fail to recognise that going out of the way to organise campaigns to disrupt everything and anything done by her parents to advance Madeleine McCann's cause is the absolute opposite of supporting Madeleine.

YET AGAIN.

Perpetrator unknown.

Crime unknown.

[stephen25000]

Yet again you have entirely excused the perpetrator/s from culpability.  You also fail to recognise that going out of the way to organise campaigns to disrupt everything and anything done by her parents to advance Madeleine McCann's cause is the absolute opposite of supporting Madeleine.

You should also realize, that by doing  virtually no searching themselves and employing several detectives who could not organise a brew up in a pi##ery,  or the equivalent, the mccanns have wasted a lot of other peoples donated money.

[Brietta]

It isn't known who removed Madeleine, or what crime occurred.

Then why do you go to such lengths to argue against everything that may lead to discovering exactly what happened to Madeleine.
I see you have got it that Madeleine was removed from the apartment ... so I suppose that is a forward step in recognising one unlawful action.  Which is entirely enough for the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard to be going with as they progress their investigations.

Without the support given to Madeleine's parents after their long lobbying, there would be no chance of finding out who that individual or individuals was.  Don't see why recognition of their role in that endeavour should present any problems.

[stephen25000]

Then why do you go to such lengths to argue against everything that may lead to discovering exactly what happened to Madeleine.
I see you have got it that Madeleine was removed from the apartment ... so I suppose that is a forward step in recognising one unlawful action.  Which is entirely enough for the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard to be going with as they progress their investigations.

Without the support given to Madeleine's parents after their long lobbying, there would be no chance of finding out who that individual or individuals was.  Don't see why recognition of their role in that endeavour should present any problems.

Of course she was removed from the apartment.

It  doesn't mean there was an abductor.

and she wasn't beamed up to the Enterprise either.

[Brietta]

You should also realize, that by doing  virtually no searching themselves and employing several detectives who could not organise a brew up in a pi##ery,  or the equivalent, the mccanns have wasted a lot of other peoples donated money.

I would have thought that by now it would be realised that people donating money to a particular cause are ...
(a) happy to donate
(b) content that their donation is used to further the aims of that cause

I think you are using a long discredited and soiled argument about lack of parental searching which really is no longer worthy of response as everything they have done in the intervening period has successfully resulted in probably the biggest professional search ever for a missing child.

Lessons have been learned from this and I fail to comprehend anyone who cannot support this couple in their endeavours.

[Lace]

It is her parents who put her in danger, TOTALLY UNNECESSARILY.

So support for Madeleine, does not mean supporting her parents.

So can I ask in what way you support Madeleine Stephen?   Presuming that is why you are on this forum,  to support Madeleine.

You don't support the investigation by SY the investigation,  that, if the McCann's hadn't petitioned for,  the opening of the case wouldn't have come about,  and therefore the investigation wouldn't have come about.

SY are investigating what happened to Madeleine and trying to find her.   You don't think this investigation should continue as it is wasting public money,  so how are you supporting Madeleine Stephen?