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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2015, 05:19:28 PM »
Its Just a theory of mine, Had Shelia killed herself it cannot be determined witch shot was fired first. One shot Vanezis described as a contact wound and the other as a partial contact wound. If the contact wound was the first wound then the second shot I'm guessing would push out all the blood from the first shot and being a partial contact wound wont nessisarily cause drawback. Its just a theory. wish I could do experiments :(

I've seen conflicting info re SC's wounds with regard to whether one or both were contact or near contact.  Anyway I think they both meet the criteria of less than 3mm enabling draw-back. 

If your theory is correct how it would it account for the 'flake'?

Yes I often wish I could undertake all manner of experiments  @)(++(*  See my avatar.  I'm convinced that if the blood 'flake' was deposited in the silencer via draw-back it would not withstand the heat generated in the silencer and ambient temp over some 5 weeks until the 'flake' was grouped and yet still be capable of producing the serology results it did.  I've sent JB two very clear emails offering to arrange and fund a number of tests but no response.

Of course even if the silencer evidence could be discredited it wouldnt make JB innocent just that his trial was potentially unfair.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2015, 05:39:23 PM »
Moderators aren't silencers... and the PH on the WHF Anschutz didn't get hot!  8((()*/
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2015, 05:48:51 PM »
Moderators aren't silencers... and the PH on the WHF Anschutz didn't get hot!  8((()*/

Yes I've been told moderators aren't silencers  8(0(*

What was the recorded temp of the silencer internally after 25 shots?

There was a reason the victims' blood samples were stored in the fridge at Chelmsford police station prior to analysis  8((()*/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

david1819

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Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2015, 06:09:40 PM »
I've seen conflicting info re SC's wounds with regard to whether one or both were contact or near contact.  Anyway I think they both meet the criteria of less than 3mm enabling draw-back. 

If your theory is correct how it would it account for the 'flake'?

Two unlikely scenario's

1. Its a mix of Neville and Junes blood and Shelia put the moderator away before killing herself.
 or
2. Was put there deliberately to bolster the prosecution case.

Now you understand why Jeremy is in behind bars. The above two scenario's are not convincing

Yes I often wish I could undertake all manner of experiments  @)(++(*  See my avatar.  I'm convinced that if the blood 'flake' was deposited in the silencer via draw-back it would not withstand the heat generated in the silencer and ambient temp over some 5 weeks until the 'flake' was grouped and yet still be capable of producing the serology results it did.  I've sent JB two very clear emails offering to arrange and fund a number of tests but no response.

His failure to reply to those e-mails may say something. Besides we don't need his approval for anything such tests. as long as you hire a licensed firearms expert you can do what ever you want.





Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2015, 06:22:10 PM »
Two unlikely scenario's

1. Its a mix of Neville and Junes blood and Shelia put the moderator away before killing herself.
 or
2. Was put there deliberately to bolster the prosecution case.

Now you understand why Jeremy is in behind bars. The above two scenario's are not convincing

His failure to reply to those e-mails may say something. Besides we don't need his approval for anything such tests. as long as you hire a licensed firearms expert you can do what ever you want.

1. Imo is just way out crazy off the richter scale.  2. I think is a possibility. 

I wouldn't just need a firearms expert (ballistics) but also a biologist to test blood after firing and then wait a further 5 weeks to replicate the conditions the 'flake' underwent.  The son of John Hayward, David Hayward, has such an operation and lives fairly close to me:

http://www.haywardforensics.co.uk/client-resources/professional-profiles/

I dont think it would be appropriate for me to go ahead without JB's approval and I wouldn't.

His failure to respond could be for loads of reasons.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

david1819

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Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2015, 07:37:54 PM »
1. Imo is just way out crazy off the richter scale.  2. I think is a possibility. 

I wouldn't just need a firearms expert (ballistics) but also a biologist to test blood after firing and then wait a further 5 weeks to replicate the conditions the 'flake' underwent.  The son of John Hayward, David Hayward, has such an operation and lives fairly close to me:

Before you go into blood testing, first you need to just do an experiment with fake blood to see of drawback happens.

I dont think it would be appropriate for me to go ahead without JB's approval and I wouldn't.

Why? its science, Jeremys opproval or not will make no difference on the results

His failure to respond could be for loads of reasons.

Yeah one of them being he is guilty and knows the results of such experiment will not help him at all.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2015, 11:57:27 PM »
Before you go into blood testing, first you need to just do an experiment with fake blood to see of drawback happens.

Why? its science, Jeremys opproval or not will make no difference on the results

Yeah one of them being he is guilty and knows the results of such experiment will not help him at all.

Yes I doubt drawback is possible with the anshutz, silencer and .22

I just dont feel it would be right to start undertaking tests without JB's approval.  I dont even know if the likes of David Hayward would undertake such at my request with or without JB's approval.  It might require his solicitors approval.  I've no idea what if any protocols exist or whether its seen as just a commercial transaction and they will undertake any tests they are qualified to undertake regardless.  My request might seem a bit odd if I dont explain the background and they would surely want to know.

Even if the tests prove negative ie show draw-back is possible and blood is capable of yielding the results having undergone the same conditions as the 'flake' it wouldnt prove JB guilty.  Likewise if the results are positive it wouldnt prove JB innocent just the silencer evidence was in all probablity fabricated and good grounds for an appeal.

I dont think JB is being being elusive over my offer as others have funded similar tests previously which have ended up with the CCRC.  I suspect he has other things going on  8(0(*



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2015, 03:09:09 AM »
You ignore the fact that had shelia killed herself and fired a second shot via vervous reflex or other body movement its possible the first shot was the contact wound,
hence the second partial contact wound would expel any drawback out the barrell.

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1) The fatal wound was determined to be a contact wound by Vanezis because of the characteristics of the wound. He didn't even know there was blood in the moderator. If you read the various posts on this site and blue you will see countless times I posted the exact traits that differentiate the distance.  Not  one expert has ever suggested that Vanezis was wrong and that they observed traits establishing it had to be fired at non-contact range.  For instance if powder stippling indicating an intermediate range shot had be observed outside the wound by Vanezis and he noted it but misinterpreted the significance or it was found in autopsy photos.  But what he assessed are traits associated with contact wounds and nothing in the photos supporting anything other than a contact wound. The experts consulted by the defense agreed it was a contact wound thus the defense was unable to assert at trial or on appeal that the fatal wound was not a contact wound.

I could stop right here because your allegations are rendered meaningless but you are wrong about somethign else.

2) Drawback has still been found in rifled barrels after multiple bullets were fired subsequent to the shot that caused drawback.  Multiple meaning 3-5 shots. In the meantime that is in rifled barrels where the bullets physically touch the inside barrel where the blood is stuck and thus would be expected to remove the blood from the rifling.  Here we are talking about blood on baffles where a bullet doesn't touch and in fact the bullet is coming from the opposite direction of where the blood was deposited. So even if another shot had been fired subsequently it would not remove the blood. 

3) The first wound was not a contact wound but even if it had been it would not be definite that it would result in drawback.  That first shot is what caused internal hemorrhaging inside her neck.  Her neck was full of blood because of the damage from the first shot and that is what made it a certainty that drawback would occur from the second shot. The fact that drawback would occur if the fatal shot was fired at contact range in combination with the irrefuted evidence that it was a contact shot is what resulted in the Appeal Court saying that blood would have to have been in the rifle if the moderator wasn't used and the fact it wasn't supports the moderator was used just as much as the blood inside of it does. To any rational person this means that in order to prevail Jeremy would need to prove either:

1) that the blood was planted and blood was found int he rifle but this fact was illicitly concealed

or

2) that Sheila's fatal wound wasn't a contact wound and thus didn't result in drawback (thus her blood was in neither the rifle nor moderator).

I already explained why they can't prove the latter.   Quite obviously they can't prove the former either so Jeremy is screwed. 


Again you rely on evidence that has not only been poorly handled and lacks a chain of custody. It has passed through the hands of those with a major financial interest in securing a conviction.[/quote]

The chain of custody was established.  The family never had control of the weapon so had no ability to conceal the finding of blood inside.  Nor did they have access to Sheila's blood. know what blood type she was or even know she suffered a contact wound.  They didn't even know what drawback was let alone know how to plant blood in a manner which would mimic it.  For these reasons and others the defense can't come up with a plausible allegation of them planting the evidence. It is quite clear the family didn't plant it.  The defense would need to prove it is reasonably likely they planted the evidence but can't under the facts here which is why the defense didn't make such an allegation at trial or on appeal. Indeed if they had planted it blood would have been found in the rifle itself. 

Nor is there anything to suggest police planted the evidence and found her blood in the rifle but concealed such.  So once again the defense has nada.

Even though OJ Simpson was guilty the defense did make some rational arguments when trying to take apart some of the evidence.  They did come up with some evidence to support blood being planted on a sock.  They were able to make the allegation based on the follow expert testimony (that is how evidence is presented it is by testimony):

A) the blood was tested and had a preservative agent in it.  That suggests it came from a blood sample because such agents are used to preserve blood after it is drawn such agents are not found in the body.

B) the drops of blood leaked through to the other side of the sock. If a foot was inside when the blood hit then it would not have been able to do that so that means the blood got on the sock when no one was wearing it.  This refutes that the blood was spatter which got on the sock during commission of the murders. It had to have been subsequent to the murders.

This is how you make scientific arguments to refute evidence.  You get an expert to refute the SPECIFIC evidence IF you can find an expert who refutes it.  In this case they found none.  Lincoln agreed with the prosecution so ended up being useless to the defense.


Your entitled to your opinion on Websters work.

Yes.
Transcript PMS/10 page 58): Malcom Fletcher "The most likely explanation for the blood being in the sound
moderator is that it was fitted to the gun at the time the contact wound to Sheila Caffell's neck was fired. There is a very very slight possibility that I am wrong in my opinion, but I don't think so"


For steadfast Jeremy supporters conspiracy theory is the final refuge for them, that we can agree on.


They have the peer reviewed report by Pathologist Dr David fowler and the experiments carried out by Firearms Expert Philip Boyce, both coming to the same conclusion that the silencer was not attached.
They also have the report by Professor Marco Meloni and Dr Cavelli claiming Jeremy was outside at the time of Shelia's death 

If all these experts are correct then that would mean a substantial conspiracy has taken place.

The courts tore their irrational SPECULATION to shreds. You still can't get it through your head that irrational speculation means nothing at all.

Science as we know it today says that if 2 people suffer contact shots resulting in drawback with a moderator in close proximity (time-wise) then their blood will intimately mix inside anywhere where the blood overlaps. Testing substantiates this including testing done by the expert in this very case. 

Webster speculated that maybe there is some magical way that blood would not intimately mix in the moderator but admitted he didn't precisely know how it could happen and said he lacked the ability to test if it was possible for it to not intimately mix.  He got ZERO support from the scientific community for his speculation.

You want us to ignore that he has no support and just pretend his speculation has merit even though it is quite clear it doesn't, indeed he LIED about one written source supporting him which didn't and he also made up that it happened in a prior case but then had to backtrack and admit that case concerned blood on cloth.  He got his ass handed to him.  If you want us to take you seriously then you need to come up with something else.

As for Fowler how many times does it have to be pointed out to you that all Fowler did was speculate that Vanezis saw a muzzle imprint left my the rifle barrel sans moderator though Vanezis himself said there was no muzzle imprint, though the photos show no muzzle imprint and though what he actually described was a bullet abrasion. It doesn't matter how many clowns he paid to support his speculation it is still just unsupported speculation rejected by prosecution experts that is not worth anything.

We know their claims were nonsense lies because we know for a fact that Vanezis didn't provide any measurements for abrasion collar only the measurements for the entrance wounds themselves.  So when they claimed they know the measurements of the abrasion collar which they think is actually a muzzle imprint and say they know it is the same size that a rifle muzzle imprint would be they are full of crap because they didn't inspect the body to get any measurements nor did Vanezis provide the measurements so they can't have any measurements.  A rational person would take all of this into account like the courts did and this is why the courts rejected their nonsense.   

You want us to believe not only that there was a wide ranging conspiracy but also that Vanezis was too stupid to know the difference between a bullet abrasion and a muzzle imprint and that these men are so smart that they could know the size because they are omniscient.

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Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2015, 03:09:43 AM »
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What credentials do you have in biology, medical pathology or firearms? None

What qualifies you to be an expert witness to challenge the above claims? Nothing!

Not even the court of Bongo Bongo land would have you as an expert witness on such matters. Any arguments you make on these subjects carry no professional legitimacy and you are no authority on the subjects. Hence I shall expect the usual closed minded opinions from you that you masquerade as irrefutable fact.

I don't need to be an expert to be able to point out to a Court that their claims are nonsense and worthless speculation. All I need is the ability to read to be able to point out to the Court that the source he cited didn't stand for the proposition he asserted.  I need no expertise to point out what the testimony was of how the prosecution expert has actually tested the theory while he said he has no ability to test his and has no actual evidence his speculation is possible.  The burden was on him to prove his speculation had merit but he failed miserably.  You irrationally suggest we should ignore that he failed miserably and simply pretend his claims had merit just because you want that to be the case.

Nor do I need to be an expert to note that Vanezis assessed she had a bullet abrasion and dirt collar.  The burden is on you to establish he was wrong and that he was wrong and in fact what he observed was a muzzle imprint not a bullet abrasion and dirt ring. Having an expert say he thinks that Vanezis made such a mistake means nothing at all unless he independently saw evidence to establish there was a muzzle imprint as opposed to a dirt ring and bullet abrasion.  He didn't see squat any such evidence in the photos though and didn't look at the body.  He simply speculated that Vanezis screwed up based on nothing.  Wild speculation by experts means nothing at all.  Experts are supposed to explain well established principles and to apply them to the evidence. Anything beyond that is meaningless.

As I have discussed with you before, I believe Jeremy fired one shot at Daniel then one at Nicholas then entering his parents room fires the remaining eight rounds - four at June four at Neville.

And the evidence establishes your opinion to be dead wrong.  The evidence:

A) June suffered 6 shots before she walked around the bed to Nevill's side then back towards the door.  All 6 of these shots were fired to her right side.  The ONLY shot she suffered while facing the killer was the 7th one fired between her eyes when she was lying near the door which was to make sure she was dead.   

B) The shots fired into the twins were closely grouped and were assessed as being fired in rapid succession not any gap.

C) The gun was empty at the end which further supports 8 shots spent on the boys and the final 2 on Sheila.

D) The parents were the main threat the notion that he shot the boys first risking waking the parents because he was more worried about them than his parents is totally absurd.

In sum your opinion is stupid and supported by nothing at all but rather refuted by logic and evidence.  You made it up from thin air contrary to fact and logic- good job...

Then beats Neville to death or near death in the kitchen. Reloads the weapon (not necessarily full 10 rounds) then proceeds to shoot Shelia. Now Jeremy begins staging the scene to look like a psychotic rampage empties the remainder of the magazine shooting Neville three more times in the kitchen then reloads again shooting the corpses of June and the Twins to make it look like a deranged psychotic Shelia. For Jeremy committing the crime the only logical answer for the excessive gun fire specially at June and the Twins is to stage the scene making it look unplanned and random.

The expert assessment was that the 4 shots fired to Nevill's head were in succession. So much for your stupid suggestion that one shot was fired and later he staged it by firing more.  Indeed the assessment was that there were 2 pairs of shots fired in quick succession.  2 to the top of his head extremely closely grouped and then 2 more to the right side of his head very closely grouped indicating the killer fired 2 shots then moved a little and fired 2 more.   He did this to make sure he was dead.  He just put up a major struggle despite being shot 4 times including 2 to the face.  He wanted to make sure he was dead and didn't get up again to fight some more.
 
That is also why he put another one between June's eyes. She had moved despite so many shots and he wanted to make sure she was dead.  He shot the boys in the head a number of times to make sure they died.

He didn't shoot June 3 times, Nevill 3 times, and the boys 6 times (12 shots total) after shooting Sheila. You make up the dumbest things for extremely stupid reaosns not based on following logic and evidence.

Your version although possible does not convince me for several reasons.
A) How could the twins have slept through the gunfire and inevitable screaming?

Fact June was a light sleeper.  Fact June was shot lying in bed.  The first shot was likely the one to her head- which was on the pillow at the time she was shot- he was able to do so only because she hadn't been moving yet.  Once she began moving he had problems targeting her effectively.  Why didn't she wake up from the shots to the boys? 

You say the boys would have woken up but you have no problem with her not waking up even though the boys could have been heavy sleepers but we know for a fact June was a very light sleeper...

You don't know there was screaming.  The gun had a moderator so it was not that loud.  They didn't share a wall with the parents so had a buffer and as Jeremy supporters always point out the walls were very thick.  This in combination with them probably being heavy sleepers as many kids are is plenty enough to explain why they didn't wake up.  there are plenty of cases where children didn't wake up from unsuppressed gunshots fired in a room that did share a wall with the room where the shots were fired.  So it is not at all surprising they didn't wake up.  Recently some guy climbed into the top of a bunk bed. The boy in the bottom bunk partially woke up but went back to bed not realizing what woke him.  The guy stripped his sister and began boinking her.  The violent shaking of the bed from sex eventually woke him up fully and at that point he realized his sister was crying and that a man was talking. By the time he woke and got his parents the girl had already been violated for quite an amount of time.   

Since Jeremy KNEW June was a light sleeper and KNEW that his parents posed the greatest danger he would want to kill them first.  He would rather face the chance of the kids waking up and confronting him with not much ammo left than facing his parents.   
 
B) How could Shelia have slept though it? Your argument that children sleep differently is not valid for Shelia.

There is no difference at all.  The gun had a moderator. Sheila was in a room that shared no wall with the master bedroom.  She was in the bed by the wall so was in the spot in her room that was furthest away from the master bedroom.  She was constantly tired and would go to bed early because she was overmedicated according to her doctor. Presumably this means she was sleeping soundly.  It is not surprising if she didn't wake up from the shots and nothing suggests she did wake up and get up.

The kitchen was far away nothing suggests she would hear something going on in the kitchen from her room anymore than the twins would.  Nothing differentiates her and the twins so far as their likelihood of waking up fully and getting up to explore.  It is quite common for people to wake up partially not know what woke them up and going back to sleep because they don't hear anything while listening.



C) Why does Shelia not attend to her Children while Neville and Jeremy are fighting downstairs,
In the mist of such Chaos Shelia's first instinct would be to check on children and as a result have woken them up, This did not happen since they died asleep.


Sheila didn't wake up that is why she didn't attend her children.  If she had woken up and found her mother dead- as surely she would because you could not miss her by the door- then she would have gone to check on her kids.   She didn't wake up in time to go check on them.  If she found them dead then she would have ran downstairs not have stayed upstairs for Jeremy to come kill her too. She would have gone looking for Nevill.  Either Jeremy dragged her from her room to the bedroom or she finally woke up and got up and walked into the hall and saw her mother dead then he came up the stairs.  Either way she had no chance to check on her kids.  He likely told her to comply of he would hurt them even though he had alreayd killed them because she didn't know he had killed them.

 
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Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2015, 03:24:43 AM »
Its Just a theory of mine, Had Shelia killed herself it cannot be determined witch shot was fired first. One shot Vanezis described as a contact wound and the other as a partial contact wound. If the contact wound was the first wound then the second shot I'm guessing would push out all the blood from the first shot and being a partial contact wound wont nessisarily cause drawback. Its just a theory. wish I could do experiments :(

That's not true we know which shot was fired first.  If the non-fatal shot was first 2nd then for sure it would prove she was murdered. 

If the neck shot was fired after she was already dead from the first shot then it would not have resulted in her hemorrhaging.  Her heard was still beating and that is why she had internal bleeding to such a degree that she did.

The amount of bleeding that happened is how we know the neck shot was first and furthermore that a number of seconds passed between the shots too many for there to have been a double tap of the weapon

The neck shot was fired at virtually a 90 degree angle at non-contact range. That would be unlikely under any circumstances but would definitely not be possible for Sheila to accomplish after the fatal shot.  It would be extremely clear she was murdered if the fatal shot had been fired first.

People can say Jeremy lucked out that the fatal shot wasn't fired first but if the fatal shot was fired first it is unlikely the second shot would ever have been fired.  Nothing suggests he screwed up and shot her again by accident.  She didn't die from the first shot that is why he fired the second. Maybe he panicked and didn't want wait to see if she would die on her own, otherwise either he killed her so that he could then stage her body (he couldn't dump the gun on her with her still alive) or didn't want her to suffer and die slowly.  Just because he was a b........ for killing her it doesn't mean he was necessarily a sadist who wanted her to suffer.

   
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2015, 03:29:32 AM »
I've seen conflicting info re SC's wounds with regard to whether one or both were contact or near contact.  Anyway I think they both meet the criteria of less than 3mm enabling draw-back. 

If your theory is correct how it would it account for the 'flake'?

Yes I often wish I could undertake all manner of experiments  @)(++(*  See my avatar.  I'm convinced that if the blood 'flake' was deposited in the silencer via draw-back it would not withstand the heat generated in the silencer and ambient temp over some 5 weeks until the 'flake' was grouped and yet still be capable of producing the serology results it did.  I've sent JB two very clear emails offering to arrange and fund a number of tests but no response.

Of course even if the silencer evidence could be discredited it wouldnt make JB innocent just that his trial was potentially unfair.

It is well established that the heat is not enough to dry the blood rapidly and not enough to do anything to inhibit serology testing.  There is nothing to test it is already well established fact they can successfully type test such blood the only problem is if there wasn't enough blood. 

The microscopic amount left was still enough for Lincoln to get an accurate test and he determined it was group A. 

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2015, 11:21:40 AM »
It is well established that the heat is not enough to dry the blood rapidly and not enough to do anything to inhibit serology testing.  There is nothing to test it is already well established fact they can successfully type test such blood the only problem is if there wasn't enough blood. 

The microscopic amount left was still enough for Lincoln to get an accurate test and he determined it was group A.

The tests I am suggesting have nothing whatsoever to do with the drying time of blood.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2015, 10:52:40 PM »
The police lied to JB during his interviews:

"I will tell you now that it has been proved that your sister Sheila did  not kill herself and in fact she was murdered along with your parents and the twins, is there anything you wish to say about this?"

The pathologist has always maintained that he was unable to say either way whether SC was murdered or took her own life.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=296.0;attach=1258

46. From the pathological evidence alone, the pathologist could not say, one way or the other, whether Mrs Caffell had been murdered or had taken her own life.

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

Not difficult to see how the police could 'sell' various ideas to JM.

Perhaps I'm naive but I see her as a bit of a victim of 1980's style policing.  I'm around her age and I feel sure had the police have told me in 1985 your boyfriend has dunnit, especially based on the above, I would have believed them.

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2015, 03:12:56 PM »
Maybe people should remember how young Julie was at the time. I remember how silly I was at her age, how all things were possible yet impossible. How boyfriends would brag about how they'd conquer the world, travel, make a million. The difference is....Bamber was a pyschopath (I'm yet to see proof of his tests) and he still is. She had no way of realising that. And, because he's a pyschopath, he copes with prison life. That's why he hasn't cracked up. An innocent man after 30 years would be totally broken.

Some innocent prisoners crack eg Stefan Kiszko and Sally Clarke.  Some don't like Nelson Mandela and Paul Hill (Guildford Four).

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/you-only-live-twice-paul-hill-is-one-of-the-real-guildford-four-since-his-release-in-1989-real-life-1410398.html

Is there any firm evidence showing JB was/is a psychopath or isn't?  We all feature on the scale somewhere with most in the middle and some at either end ie being incapable of empathy/psychopath or capable of much emapthy/altruistic (same as the bell curve for intelligence).

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

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Re: Is wiggy correct about there being reasonable doubt?
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2015, 03:18:51 PM »
Relax Scipio. There will always be new posters on both forums, saying Bamber is innocent. Both today and in 50 years. It's life.
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