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Offline Holly Goodhead

Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« on: November 25, 2015, 09:41:43 AM »
As a result of discussing SL yesterday I had a look at his other books and general info re Barry George.  I found a Panorama doc was made which featured an interview with the foreman of the trial jury.  Now if SL could get an interview with the foreman of JB's trial that, I'm sure, would be very interesting indeed!

I thought members of the jury were under some sort of oath not to discuss any aspect of the trial during and after? 

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« Last Edit: November 25, 2015, 11:46:24 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2015, 11:35:36 AM »
As a result of discussing SL yesterday I had a look at his other books and general info re Barry George.  I found a Panorama doc was made which featured an interview with the foreman of the trial jury.  Now if SL could get an interview with the foreman of JB's trial that, I'm sure, would be very interesting indeed!

I thought members of the jury were under some sort of oath not to discuss any aspect of the trial during and after?
Unless it was because Barry George was wrongfully convicted, so in his case that rule was waived...

https://www.gov.uk/jury-service/discussing-the-trial

In the USA it seems that a different rule applies...

https://www.quora.com/Do-ex-jury-members-get-paid-for-post-trial-interviews-If-so-would-a-foreman-interview-be-worth-more-than-other-jurors
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Caroline

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 12:25:47 PM »
As a result of discussing SL yesterday I had a look at his other books and general info re Barry George.  I found a Panorama doc was made which featured an interview with the foreman of the trial jury.  Now if SL could get an interview with the foreman of JB's trial that, I'm sure, would be very interesting indeed!

I thought members of the jury were under some sort of oath not to discuss any aspect of the trial during and after?

I think it's the deliberations they aren't allowed to discuss after?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2015, 02:15:48 PM »
I think it's the deliberations they aren't allowed to discuss after?

I think I recall Nelly posting up about it.  Is there any chance in your capacity as Zoso we can have the old search facility back?  Ie at one time it was possible to Google 'Jeremy Bamber forum NGB jurors' with some results.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2015, 02:20:33 PM »
Unless it was because Barry George was wrongfully convicted, so in his case that rule was waived...

https://www.gov.uk/jury-service/discussing-the-trial

In the USA it seems that a different rule applies...

https://www.quora.com/Do-ex-jury-members-get-paid-for-post-trial-interviews-If-so-would-a-foreman-interview-be-worth-more-than-other-jurors

Good point and you maybe right but I do recall many moons ago on Blue someone posing the question about jurors and Nelly said something along the lines that jurors could fess up voluntarily but they couldn't be approached by others but I might have got that totally wrong. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 05:06:21 PM »
As a result of discussing SL yesterday I had a look at his other books and general info re Barry George.  I found a Panorama doc was made which featured an interview with the foreman of the trial jury.  Now if SL could get an interview with the foreman of JB's trial that, I'm sure, would be very interesting indeed!

I thought members of the jury were under some sort of oath not to discuss any aspect of the trial during and after?

Grand Jury proceedings are private and subject to an oath of secrecy.

Pre-verdict trial juries are not allowed to discuss the trial except in the deliberation room.  If they discuss things outside of court or the deliberation room it can be grounds for a mistrial.

Post verdict they required by law not to discuss what went on in the deliberation room.  They are free to discuss the case generally and anything they want except what went on in the deliberation room. If they talk about what went on in the deliberation room it is violation of Section 8 of the Contempt of Court statute:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/49/section/8

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 05:31:35 PM »
Grand Jury proceedings are private and subject to an oath of secrecy.

Pre-verdict trial juries are not allowed to discuss the trial except in the deliberation room.  If they discuss things outside of court or the deliberation room it can be grounds for a mistrial.

Post verdict they required by law not to discuss what went on in the deliberation room.  They are free to discuss the case generally and anything they want except what went on in the deliberation room. If they talk about what went on in the deliberation room it is violation of Section 8 of the Contempt of Court statute:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/49/section/8

Thanks:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7067290.stm

« Last Edit: November 25, 2015, 11:43:22 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2015, 06:48:42 PM »
Thanks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7067290.stm

Nothing quoted in the article discussed the deliberations but rather the significance of the evidence in general terms.  If you read the section I quoted you will see that the press asking about deliberations would also violate the section you can't solicit such information from jurors.

You should also take note of the substance behind the quashing in that case. 

1) the defendant didn't have time to wash or change before being picked up by police
2) the defendant only had a single particle of GSR on him
3) the prosecution argued that the single particle linked him to the murder

On appeal and retrial it was brought out that:
A) if he had committed the murders he would have had far more than just 1 particle of GSR on him because he had no time to change and all but 1 particle of GSR would not have transferred from his body and clothing in such a short period of time
B) that is is quite easy for a single particle to transfer

Not surprisingly the prosecution retrial flopped since they had zilch to link him to the crime.  The same way there is zero physical evidence to link Sheila to the crimes. She had no reason to wash and change but more importantly no ability to change without the clothing she wore being found if she had changed.  Naturally she had no ability to change out of the clothing she was killed in period. That clothing lacked GSR that would have been present had she shot herself sans moderator and her blood would have been found in the rifle had she shot herself sans moderator.   
« Last Edit: November 25, 2015, 11:43:46 PM by John »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Caroline

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2015, 11:37:46 PM »
I think I recall Nelly posting up about it.  Is there any chance in your capacity as Zoso we can have the old search facility back?  Ie at one time it was possible to Google 'Jeremy Bamber forum NGB jurors' with some results.

'We' is that the royal 'we'? No one has changed the search facility, so as there is no new search facility, I can't bring the old one back.

Offline John

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2015, 11:45:31 PM »
'We' is that the royal 'we'? No one has changed the search facility, so as there is no new search facility, I can't bring the old one back.

Maybe an admin altered the weightings in the admin control panel.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2015, 06:43:28 AM »
Nothing quoted in the article discussed the deliberations but rather the significance of the evidence in general terms.  If you read the section I quoted you will see that the press asking about deliberations would also violate the section you can't solicit such information from jurors.

You should also take note of the substance behind the quashing in that case. 

1) the defendant didn't have time to wash or change before being picked up by police
2) the defendant only had a single particle of GSR on him
3) the prosecution argued that the single particle linked him to the murder

On appeal and retrial it was brought out that:
A) if he had committed the murders he would have had far more than just 1 particle of GSR on him because he had no time to change and all but 1 particle of GSR would not have transferred from his body and clothing in such a short period of time
B) that is is quite easy for a single particle to transfer

Not surprisingly the prosecution retrial flopped since they had zilch to link him to the crime.  The same way there is zero physical evidence to link Sheila to the crimes. She had no reason to wash and change but more importantly no ability to change without the clothing she wore being found if she had changed.  Naturally she had no ability to change out of the clothing she was killed in period. That clothing lacked GSR that would have been present had she shot herself sans moderator and her blood would have been found in the rifle had she shot herself sans moderator.

I would like to hear from jurors at JB's trial discuss similar.

Can you please stay on topic.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2015, 12:35:34 PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6964.msg326953.html#msg326953

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6365.msg282221.html#msg282221

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6365.msg282248.html#msg282248

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6365.msg282409.html#msg282409



http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6365.msg282461.html#msg282461

When Neil decided to make the blue forum boards visible to members only the googlebot missed several opportunities to collect data but that situation should resolve itself over time.  We use hidden threads on this forum where we do not want comments to be seen by other members or the public at large.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Are jurors allowed to publicly discuss a case?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2015, 01:54:32 PM »
When Neil decided to make the blue forum boards visible to members only the googlebot missed several opportunities to collect data but that situation should resolve itself over time.  We use hidden threads on this forum where we do not want comments to be seen by other members or the public at large.

I've just checked the search facility on Blue and it is now working but it wasn't yesterday and hadnt been working since Nelly's ill fated experiment. They are most def not ahead of the curve.  Red wins on Admin and IT and that isnt a grudge Caroline, or sour grapes, it's based on my personal experience as a user  8((()*/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?