Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment

[carlymichelle]

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i was thinking with this little girl could she have  had a sezuire or   a  underlying   congental  illness  /disease    it  doesnt say why she fell over  does it?

[slartibartfast]

"Mr Godding told the court: 'I caught her slip out the corner of my eye - she fell forwards, but I think just on to her knees.'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3353124/Toddler-died-hours-slipping-marble-floor.html#ixzz3tvm1c7Lv

That's what I said. To me it says he heard a fall, turned and she was on her knees, he then made an assumption.

[Alfred R Jones]

doesnt this little girls death proove that if maddie had  the same accident  and died the same way if gerry and kate had been there maddie might be alive now?

How do you figure that out?  The little girl's parents were there, one was a qualified nurse and they were still unable to prevent her death!

[jassi]

Why would a second PM be held?  The article doesn't mention the reason

[Angelo222]

Why would a second PM be held?  The article doesn't mention the reason

Routine when a death occurs abroad.  A coroner is obliged under English law to carry out an autopsy when a violent or unnatural death occurs even if that death occurred overseas.

See Section 9 in below attached PDF file.

[Benice]

That's what I said. To me it says he heard a fall, turned and she was on her knees, he then made an assumption.

Good grief  - are you being serious?  Mr Godding didn't HEAR her fall he SAW her slip and fall forwards out of the corner of his eye.    It's there in black and white.   Your description bears no resemblance to what he said.

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Mr Godding told the court: 'I caught her slip out the corner of my eye - she fell forwards, but I think just on to her knees.'"
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[Mr Gray]

Routine when a death occurs abroad.  A coroner is obliged under English law to carry out an autopsy when a violent or unnatural death occurs even if that death occurred overseas.

See Section 9 in below attached PDF file.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/424561/guide_for__bereaved-families.pdf

If a post mortem has been carried out overseas,
there may not be the need for one in the UK.
However, this is a decision for the coroner. He or
she may require one in cases of unnatural or violent
death; if there has not been one abroad;

[Eleanor]

Is there any suggestion of foul play?

I'm just surprised that there hasn't been.

[slartibartfast]

Good grief  - are you being serious?  Mr Godding didn't HEAR her fall he SAW her slip and fall forwards out of the corner of his eye.    It's there in black and white.   Your description bears no resemblance to what he said.

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Mr Godding told the court: 'I caught her slip out the corner of my eye - she fell forwards, but I think just on to her knees.'"
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The key part is "but I think". It suggests he wasn't actually watching at the time.

[Mr Gray]

so the question remains...why did the coroner request a second post mortem

[Eleanor]

A Portuguese pathologist found she died from a severe head injury following a blow to the back of the head.  That is good enough for me regardless of what a British coroner found much later.

And an Australian woman committed suicide by hitting herself over the head with an axe four times, according to a Portuguese Pathologist.

[slartibartfast]

And an Australian woman committed suicide by hitting herself over the head with an axe four times, according to a Portuguese Pathologist.

...and?

[Mr Gray]

...and?

according to angelo ...if this is what the Portuguese pathologist said...it must be true..

And an Australian woman committed suicide by hitting herself over the head with an axe four times, according to a Portuguese Pathologist.

[Eleanor]

...and?

An Australian Pathologist found Defence Wounds to her hands and said that she had been murdered.  Unless you think it is possible to hit yourself over the head with an axe four times.
So much for Portuguese Pathologists.

[slartibartfast]

An Australian Pathologist found Defence Wounds to her hands and said that she had been murdered.  Unless you think it is possible to hit yourself over the head with an axe four times.
So much for Portuguese Pathologists.

You'd be surprised at the inventive ways people have to end it all.