My thoughts on the bamber murders by Sherlock

[Holly Goodhead]

hi i think the wet suit was protection against blood evidence.after wiping himself down and leaving the scene he could get home have a hot shower and all blood evidence would go down plughole.no scratches would be on his body.ds jones asked bamber about the lack of towels in his bath room the morning of the murders.but he could just as well bought a change of clothing with him and simply changed before leaving farmhouse.you say 2 jumpers a blouson.i suggest you have no proof whatsoever what he was wearing the night or morning of the murders.you only know what he turned up in at the farm at 3am.unless some one from the grave told you it was 2 jumpers and a blouson.for you to add a stupid cartoon caption when you dont know yourself is laughable.hi adam i only think she was shot in bed because of the blood pattern on her nightdress .i am no expert but the blood on the nighty  doesnt look right for a suicide.if she pushed the trigger while sat on the floor her head would immediately fall backwards the blood would run down the side of the neck and pool on the carpet near her neck .and had she sot herself with her back proped against Neville's bedside cabinet she would have blood on the front and left side of her night .but theres none not even a speck.i am sure we have all carried a sleeping child say a 8 yearold you put 1 arm beneath the knee joints and the other just below the neck and we make sure the head is forward and tucked into our body .not hanging back .now apply that to the photo of Sheila.if she had been shot in bed and than bamber carried her from the left hand bed in her room .than the blood pattern is spot on .i favour him hiding the kitchen phone because he thought if something goes wrong and 3 adults start fleeing in different directions their would not find a phone to tell anyone its bamber doing the killing i dont think he would have took that chance.mine are all theories .think like bamber would have

Hi sherlock.  I apologise if my soh offended you.  The comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.  JB layering up has been the butt of many jokes.  It wasn't restricted to when he arrived at the farm on 7th Aug eg when he arrived at court, and this was during the day and in the summer, he also wore multiple layers. 

Of course I don't know what JB was wearing IF he carried out the murders. 

I'm not sure how a wetsuit would have afforded JB much protection though since they are porous and not that thick.  They need washing with special shampoos:

http://www.boardridersguide.com/ripcurl-piss-off-wetsuit-cleaner-37129?gclid=ckgrtv-s18kcfalnwgodws4gqg

I believe JB's old bedroom at WHF was in tact and he kept some clothes there.

I also believe EP forensically analysed the wet suit and bike and didn't find anything incriminating.

[rotti]

Hi sherlock.  I apologise if my soh offended you.  The comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.  JB layering up has been the butt of many jokes.  It wasn't restricted to when he arrived at the farm on 7th Aug eg when he arrived at court, and this was during the day and in the summer, he also wore multiple layers. 

Of course I don't know what JB was wearing IF he carried out the murders. 

I'm not sure how a wetsuit would have afforded JB much protection though since they are porous and not that thick.  They need washing with special shampoos:

http://www.boardridersguide.com/ripcurl-piss-off-wetsuit-cleaner-37129?gclid=ckgrtv-s18kcfalnwgodws4gqg

I believe JB's old bedroom at WHF was in tact and he kept some clothes there.

I also believe EP forensically analysed the wet suit and bike and didn't find anything incriminating.

his plan was to catch every one sound asleep in their beds than he would have set the scene in such a way nobody would ever prove it wasnt shelia who done it .i mean a masterly staged scene like you get in high class operas.and we wouldnt be on this forum .bamber would be in the south of france.why he never used a shotgun i dont know i think the noise.neville would not have got away from bedroom 1 shot each and his plan has succeeded.carry shelia to twins bedroom and the jobs finished.his call to police was a well thought out plan .it keeps him away from the crime scene and also allows him prime. fool .and scare police .like the conductor at a symphony.the lifestyle  he wanted was what he had done after the murders jet setting to st tropez Amsterdam a playboy lifestyle not a hardworking farmers lifestyle.he wanted his arse to be sat in sports car  not a combine harvester.i think he has got the seat he deserved a nice soft one in the nick.i think child killers who are found guilty should be strapped to a gurney and electric shocked until they reveal the truth.my personal opinion

[rotti]

hi holly very sorry i didnt a first take it as a joke.also i didnt know you are a moderator.my respects to you.he had worked in some sort of diving business abroad so i think he might have had cleaning shampoos for his suits

[puglove]

his plan was to catch every one sound asleep in their beds than he would have set the scene in such a way nobody would ever prove it wasnt shelia who done it .i mean a masterly staged scene like you get in high class operas.and we wouldnt be on this forum .bamber would be in the south of france.why he never used a shotgun i dont know i think the noise.neville would not have got away from bedroom 1 shot each and his plan has succeeded.carry shelia to twins bedroom and the jobs finished.his call to police was a well thought out plan .it keeps him away from the crime scene and also allows him prime. fool .and scare police .like the conductor at a symphony.the lifestyle  he wanted was what he had done after the murders jet setting to st tropez Amsterdam a playboy lifestyle not a hardworking farmers lifestyle.he wanted his arse to be sat in sports car  not a combine harvester.i think he has got the seat he deserved a nice soft one in the nick.i think child killers who are found guilty should be strapped to a gurney and electric shocked until they reveal the truth.my personal opinion

There are many reasons why Bamber didn't use a shotgun. The noise, the mess, the fact that you have to break and reload, a shotgun only gives you 2 shots, Sheila had never touched a shotgun in her life, Bamber didn't leave a shotgun out, he left a rifle.....

[Myster]

Bamber had it in mind though, when he asked the Eatons about buying a five shot shotgun... one for each member of the family.  &%+((£

I understand this was checked out by EP and apparently JB wanted an auto shotgun to go pigeon shooting with the landlord of his local, The Chequers.  The Eatons explained it was not sportsmanlike to use this type of gun and JB accepted this and didnt pursue it further.

[scipio_usmc]

his plan was to catch every one sound asleep in their beds than he would have set the scene in such a way nobody would ever prove it wasnt shelia who done it .i mean a masterly staged scene like you get in high class operas.and we wouldnt be on this forum .bamber would be in the south of france.why he never used a shotgun i dont know i think the noise.neville would not have got away from bedroom 1 shot each and his plan has succeeded.carry shelia to twins bedroom and the jobs finished.his call to police was a well thought out plan .it keeps him away from the crime scene and also allows him prime. fool .and scare police .like the conductor at a symphony.the lifestyle  he wanted was what he had done after the murders jet setting to st tropez Amsterdam a playboy lifestyle not a hardworking farmers lifestyle.he wanted his arse to be sat in sports car  not a combine harvester.i think he has got the seat he deserved a nice soft one in the nick.i think child killers who are found guilty should be strapped to a gurney and electric shocked until they reveal the truth.my personal opinion

Yeah the police would have bought it that Nevill phoned him if he was killed in his sleep...

Sherlock fits you like nicknaming John Candy "tiny".

[scipio_usmc]

The fact he planned to say Nevill called was one of his downfalls.  1) It resulted in him shooting his mother first which in turn resulted in him running out of bullets and the kitchen struggle happening.  During this struggle the killer beat Nevill unconscious and was splashed with medium velocity spatter from Neviil.  Sheila had no spatter form Nevill on her body and clothing thus proving she wasn't the one who beat him.  2) By claiming to have received a call he ended up giving away that he knew about the murders.  When it was established that Sheila didn't do it this means it had to have been Jeremy.

[puglove]

lookout really is a ghastly old harridan, crowing over the fact that she's received a Christmas card from a man who killed two sleeping children.

I can only presume that she's got dementia.   

[Angelo222]

Bamber had it in mind though, when he asked the Eatons about buying a five shot shotgun... one for each member of the family.  &%+((£

I didn't know that..  ta myster 

[Angelo222]

The fact he planned to say Nevill called was one of his downfalls.  1) It resulted in him shooting his mother first which in turn resulted in him running out of bullets and the kitchen struggle happening.  During this struggle the killer beat Nevill unconscious and was splashed with medium velocity spatter from Neviil.  Sheila had no spatter form Nevill on her body and clothing thus proving she wasn't the one who beat him.  2) By claiming to have received a call he ended up giving away that he knew about the murders.  When it was established that Sheila didn't do it this means it had to have been Jeremy.

Those facts alone condemn him imo.  The killer had to have blood spatter on him/her, no third party was involved given secret entry into the house only known to Jeremy Bamber and Sheila had no blood spatter on her.

It all makes sense now!

[Myster]

Bamber had it in mind though, when he asked the Eatons about buying a five shot shotgun... one for each member of the family.  &%+((£

I didn't know that..  ta myster 

Ann Eaton's Statement, 8-13th Sept. 1985

[rotti]

hi master scipio usmc.there are a few names that fit you too.but i wont post any you might be offended.only an idiot would say the police would believe the story if every one was asleep in their beds. i said if every one was asleep he would have killed the lot and staged the scene .after killing neville he would have placed him on the floor and his blood on the phone which would be off the hook.shelia would be placed on the floor with shotgun beside her in the twins bedroom.do you understand now or shall i draw you a picture.its laughable that he didnt plan the call from beginning.because he would never take the risk of the remaining family telling police what life was really like between him and his family.also as i said it was done so he could prime the police officers when they came and that part worked perfectly for him. dci jones and the rest except ds jones fell for his priming. hook line and sinker.the noise was why he never chose shotgun.to this day no one can prove without doubt that a call was made or not despite the lack of blood on the phone as the blue forum will say.one of their crazy scenarios is neville phoned bamber while shelia was shooting june he than ran upstairs and  took 4 shots in bedroom before fleeing to the kitchen and collapsing and being beaten by shelia.mad shelia waving the rile about while clubbing a semiconscious neville would account for in damage in kitchen.they say its debateable if there was lots of blood on the floors of kitchen and bedroom. someone  could easily walk around with out getting Any blood on their feet .did Neville's feet have blood and shards of glass on them.this scenario cant be disproved beyond reasonable doubt .that is what they claim .not me i feel he is guilty. i dont agree with the master scipio usmc that it happened just the way he has explained it .others have got good theories as to how it happened.this forum is to discuss different views until we find one that most people would accept .as for the blood expert the master has said about.and what his report was. iam sure bamber could produce one that will back his theory.for a fee .there is also an expert that says the scratches on the red mantle are not there in the crime scene photos.so master scipio usmc its debatable and not without doubt

[adam]

I have recently agreed with you're view that Bamber planned to kill everyone as quickly as possible. In there beds. He just failed to do this with Neville.

Neville or June could then be moved a few feet from the bed. The bedroom phone plugged in and taken off the hook.

The exception being Sheila, who had to be out of her bed in the thick of the action. Although it seems possible that Bamber fired his first bullet into her while she was in bed sleeping.

[scipio_usmc]

Those facts alone condemn him imo.  The killer had to have blood spatter on him/her, no third party was involved given secret entry into the house only known to Jeremy Bamber and Sheila had no blood spatter on her.

It all makes sense now!

If he made the bodies be found naturally the moderator evidence among other things would have revealed everyone including Sheila was murdered.  Upon coming to that conclusion they would suspect Jeremy because why would someone execute the entire family including the kids?  Jeremy would profit from such so would be suspected and had no alibi.  But they would have nothing to directly implicate him.  Claiming he received a phonecall reveals direct knowledge of the murders so instead of helping him it ended up severely hurting him.  He wasn't anywhere as smart as he thought he was.

[rotti]

There are many reasons why Bamber didn't use a shotgun. The noise, the mess, the fact that you have to break and reload, a shotgun only gives you 2 shots, Sheila had never touched a shotgun in her life, Bamber didn't leave a shotgun out, he left a rifle.....

no one had seen shelia touch a rifle either.the noise is the only reason.if he would have used a shotgun he could have gotaway with it providing he caught every one in bed asleep or not .it would take 1 shot each shotgun can be loaded in seconds