My thoughts on the bamber murders by Sherlock

[rotti]

There was very little blood anywhere on the floor other than the pool that formed around NB and there would be no need for SC to tread there. 

SC's feet were never swabbed.  DC Hammersley placed bags over her feet at SoC.  SC was then placed in a body bag and transferred to the path lab.  DC Hammersley removed the bags but they were not forensically analysed.  So the potential for much movement existed and for any debris to transfer and get lost in the bags. 

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This is Dr Vanezis' take on SC's feet from CAL's interview with the Dr: (P322/323)

Her feet were clean, save for a couple of minor bloodspots on the soles, suggesting that she hadn't walked through the kitchen, where the floor into the hallway was stippled with blood, but creating a puzzle regarding the blood-streaked bedroom carpet.  Pathologist Dr Vanezis explains that the area of marking and porousness of the carpet should be taken into account: 'An expert on blood spatter might tell you that small spots of blood on the carpet won't transfer so easily, particularly if it's more or less dried.  If she'd been carried, would that have been willingly?  No, I can't see that.  The other thing is: if a gun had been held to her head, she would have been led there and told to lie down.  Jeremy would then have to get round this blood, thinking he mustn't touch it.  I think it was just small amounts of blood on the carpet and it was the luck of the draw whether she got any on her feet or not.'

holly look at the crime scene photos.there is blood droplets on nevilles side of the bed .also where june was lying and probably on the stairs too.there is no reason to say the blood droplets were dry as you say.had she walked about 'there would have been more blood on her feet.no examination of the feet were done as you say .but there had been a visual examination of her feet and over 20 police  officers never mentioned blood on her feet

[adam]

Did Bamber even need Neville or June out of bed ?

He could simply say Neville/June phoned while on the bed. The bedroom phone was next to both of them.

[Holly Goodhead]

holly look at the crime scene photos.there is blood droplets on nevilles side of the bed .also where june was lying and probably on the stairs too.there is no reason to say the blood droplets were dry as you say.had she walked about 'there would have been more blood on her feet.no examination of the feet were done as you say .but there had been a visual examination of her feet and over 20 police  officers never mentioned blood on her feet

Not my opinion.  It's the opinion of Dr Vanezis

Which 20 police officers examined SC's feet?

[Holly Goodhead]

Not my opinion.  It's the opinion of Dr Vanezis

Which 20 police officers examined SC's feet?

If 20 police officers examined SC's feet it was certainly 20 more than examined and missed the bloody silencer in the gun cupboard!

[rotti]

Gotcha.  But would he be daft enough to not realise that any shot may have made what he was attempting to do impossible from a pathological perspective?

he was not a clever as he thought.in any crime the killer always makes a few mistakes'its human nature.also previously when i mentioned showering in a wet suit 'holly pointed out that the shower in the farm was clean and not used.there is no way he took a nice hot and soothing show at the farm.no.he wiped himself down rode home and than showered.if you take a hot shower than go outdoors wearing light clothing .you will be freezing cold .one officer wrote in his statement bamber look extremely cold while with police outside the farm that morning.

[rotti]

Not my opinion.  It's the opinion of Dr Vanezis

Which 20 police officers examined SC's feet?

every policemen who saw sheilas body.while looking at her not one person who had entered the farm mentions blood on her feet.blood droplets would never dry as quick as you say.

[Holly Goodhead]

he was not a clever as he thought.in any crime the killer always makes a few mistakes'its human nature.also previously when i mentioned showering in a wet suit 'holly pointed out that the shower in the farm was clean and not used.there is no way he took a nice hot and soothing show at the farm.no.he wiped himself down rode home and than showered.if you take a hot shower than go outdoors wearing lighting clothing .you will be freezing cold .one officer wrote in his statement bamber look extremely cold while with police outside the farm that morning.

Did I point out that the shower in the farm was clean?  I doubt it as I have no idea whether it was clean or not.  I bet it wasn't clean to my OCD standards!  AE said the shower head was off the bracket and in the tray. That is all I know about the shower.

Which officer said JB looked "extremely cold"?

Catcha later.

[rotti]

If 20 police officers examined SC's feet it was certainly 20 more than examined and missed the bloody silencer in the gun cupboard!

what evidence have you seen that the silencer was in that cupboard on the morning of the murders .which member of the family was there that morning.to tell police that the rifle was missing a silencer.none.the police were not looking for a silencer because at that point no one had told police the rifle was missing one. i also believe that silencer left the farm that morning in bambers pocket .and was only put back some time  after.

[Holly Goodhead]

every policemen who saw sheilas body.while looking at her not one person who had entered the farm mentions blood on her feet.blood droplets would never dry as quick as you say.

The fact officers didn't mention something isn't evidence of anything. 

[rotti]

Not my opinion.  It's the opinion of Dr Vanezis

Which 20 police officers examined SC's feet?

they may have been dry when the doc saw them 'but he saw the droplets hours after the crime was committed

[Holly Goodhead]

what evidence have you seen that the silencer was in that cupboard on the morning of the murders .which member of the family was there that morning.to tell police that the rifle was missing a silencer.none.the police were not looking for a silencer because no at that point had told the rifle was missing one. i also believe that silencer left the farm that morning in bambers pocket .and was only put back days after.

Did the police conduct a thorough search of the cupboard and compile an inventory of its contents?  No

Who put the silencer back two days later?

[rotti]

Did I point out that the shower in the farm was clean?  I doubt it as I have no idea whether it was clean or not.  I bet it wasn't clean to my OCD standards!  AE said the shower head was off the bracket and in the tray. That is all I know about the shower.

Which officer said JB looked "extremely cold"?

Catcha later.

holly check the police statements .i will have to read them all again to tell you the answer.and i cant be botherd at the moment.but its in there.also i think some has said the bottle of fairy liquid kept on the kitchen window seal 'was not there.i think it was the house keeper that said it

[Holly Goodhead]

holly check the police statements .i will have to read them all again to tell you the answer.and i cant be botherd at the moment.but its in there.also i think some has said the bottle of fairy liquid kept on the kitchen window seal 'was not there.i think it was the house keeper that said it

Lol I cant be arsed either    Jean Boutell, the housekeeper, said a few bits that were normally kept around the sink had been moved but this was later attributed to the police officers cleaning up.

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sherlock any chance you can support your posts with some documentary evidence?

[Eleanor]

iam not sure probably it didnt exist.what the heck is s il vous plait

The Silencer did exist.  It was found where it shouldn't have been.

S'il vous plait is just a polite way of saying, "If you please."  It's French.

So can we get back to The Silencer?

[rotti]

Did the police conduct a thorough search of the cupboard and compile an inventory of its contents?  No

Who put the silencer back two days later?

bamber did.when it was  put back you cant be sure. also dci jones had told them it was suicide and bamber had put the rifle in the scene .he did not tell them anything about a silencer.so why would they make an inventory.it was a suicide theres the rifle that was used.what have the other guns got to do with the events of that morning.