My thoughts on the bamber murders by Sherlock

[adam]

they would be be spotless because the pillow case never had sheila head on it .its the one he replaced.i suggest .i dont see any blood splatter on her nightie. i  can see where blood has ran and pooled also soaked into her nightie.you would not get much splatter from a .22 bullet.plus there are no edges to the blood found on her showing me the blood has soaked not splatted/.a splatter is when blood is thrown from a wound .and by the streaks it makes when it lands expert could than tell you which directions it came from

Bamber had the option of replacing a pillow case. He would know where they were. Or he could have just put his hand over the first bullet wound, prior to carrying her. That's if the blood was gushing out of neck like it does in the horror films.

[david1819]

People seem to think because she may have been sitting when receiving a shot, that she was awake.

Bamber had the freedom to move her into his chosen positions. The first shot because she was asleep. The second because she had already been shot. Bamber was also a lot stronger than her.

Adam she was not shot while asleep there is no blood on her bed and no blood in the room she was staying in what so ever.

For your version of events to be true Jeremy would have to not only have changed her bed sheets but to have replaced the carpet in the bedroom Shelia was sleeping in before he left the scene.

The blood on the carpet in the main bedroom is not consistent with a shot body being moved or dragged. Jeremy would then have to replace that carpet also then some how use residual blood to re simulate the event.

Its easy to say Jeremy could do this and could do that but your really under estimating what is required in order.

There is no evidence of Jeremy replacing sheets and its impossible for him to install new carpets after he killed everyone but before he returned home to call the police. This is utterly absurd or ridiculous

[Myster]

People seem to think because she may have been sitting when receiving a shot, that she was awake.

Bamber had the freedom to move her into his chosen positions. The first shot because she was asleep. The second because she had already been shot. Bamber was also a lot stronger than her.

How come if Sheila was asleep, she was also capable of sitting up at the side of her parents' bed while Bamber delivered the first shot almost perpendicular to her neck?  If you're asleep you body acts like a ragdoll with no resistance to gravity. She must have been at least partially sat up and awake because of the blood spray between arm and chest.

[rotti]

How come if Sheila was asleep, she was also capable of sitting up at the side of her parents' bed while Bamber delivered the first shot almost perpendicular to her neck?  If you're asleep you body acts like a ragdoll with no resistance to gravity. She must have been at least partially sat up and awake because of the blood spray between arm and chest.

was she capable of sitting no she was propped up against the bedcabinet.her head would have fallen .hence leaking blood on to nightie.but a doubt if the whole body would have fallen forward or sideways definitely not backwards the cabinet was there.i disagree about the blood spray as you put it.all the blood spots around sheila were dropped and not thrown there are no streaks or sharp points in those droplets

[adam]

they would be be spotless because the pillow case never had sheila head on it .its the one he replaced.i suggest .i dont see any blood splatter on her nightie. i  can see where blood has ran and pooled also soaked into her nightie.you would not get much splatter from a .22 bullet.plus there are no edges to the blood found on her showing me the blood has soaked not splatted/.a splatter is when blood is thrown from a wound .and by the streaks it makes when it lands expert could than tell you which directions it came from

Bamber had the option of replacing a pillow case. He would know where they were. Or he could have just put his hand over the first bullet wound, prior to carrying her. That's if the blood was gushing out of neck like it does in the horror films.

[adam]

Adam she was not shot while asleep there is no blood on her bed and no blood in the room she was staying in what so ever.

For your version of events to be true Jeremy would have to not only have changed her bed sheets but to have replaced the carpet in the bedroom Shelia was sleeping in before he left the scene.

The blood on the carpet in the main bedroom is not consistent with a shot body being moved or dragged. Jeremy would then have to replace that carpet also then some how use residual blood to re simulate the event.

Its easy to say Jeremy could do this and could do that but your really under estimating what is required in order.

There is no evidence of Jeremy replacing sheets and its impossible for him to install new carpets after he killed everyone but before he returned home to call the police. This is utterly absurd or ridiculous

Why would there be blood ? She was shot once in the neck with a rifle used for shooting rabbits. Or the pillow case was replaced. Simple.

[rotti]

Bamber had the option of replacing a pillow case. He would know where they were. Or he could have just put his hand over the first bullet wound, prior to carrying her. That's if the blood was gushing out of neck like it does in the horror films.

and if not his hand than a piece of cloth

[adam]

Adam she was not shot while asleep there is no blood on her bed and no blood in the room she was staying in what so ever.

For your version of events to be true Jeremy would have to not only have changed her bed sheets but to have replaced the carpet in the bedroom Shelia was sleeping in before he left the scene.

The blood on the carpet in the main bedroom is not consistent with a shot body being moved or dragged. Jeremy would then have to replace that carpet also then some how use residual blood to re simulate the event.

Its easy to say Jeremy could do this and could do that but your really under estimating what is required in order.

There is no evidence of Jeremy replacing sheets and its impossible for him to install new carpets after he killed everyone but before he returned home to call the police. This is utterly absurd or ridiculous

Are you an expert in blood patterns  ? Saying this or that is not consistent with her blood patterns.

How did Sheila end up in the main bedroom. Don't tell me you are one of people who believe she slept with June.

[adam]

and if not his hand than a piece of cloth

That's right. A piece of cloth over her first bullet wound. Then lift her like a mother cradles a baby, for the ten seconds it takes to put Sheila in the main bedroom.

[adam]

It's surprising that people believe Sheila would be pouring with blood all over the bed and carpet. After one shot  into the neck from a rifle used for shooting rabbits. But each to their own.

[david1819]

Why would there be blood ? She was shot once in the neck with a rifle used for shooting rabbits. Or the pillow case was replaced. Simple.

Adam the Neck has allot of blood circulation. In a text book I have written by William G. Eckert, MD
Forensic Pathologist Simi Valley, California and co authored by Stuart H. James and Associates Forensic Consultants.

I quote from page 123

Injuries to the neck produced by penetration of a projectile or by
slashing or stabbing with a sharp instrument may produce severe bleeding
due to the severance of the jugular vein or the carotid arteries. These major
vessels of the neck are located near the surface and have a fixed structure
beneath them and are perhaps the most vulnerable vessels in the body. The
resulting hemorrhage is massive and disabling. Bleeding from the carotid
arteries is rapid as it exits under pressure. The resulting bloodstain patterns
are distinctive in their appearance. Death may ensue quickly due to acute
blood loss and reduced oxygen supply to the brain.

I hope this answers your question

[rotti]

Adam she was not shot while asleep there is no blood on her bed and no blood in the room she was staying in what so ever.

For your version of events to be true Jeremy would have to not only have changed her bed sheets but to have replaced the carpet in the bedroom Shelia was sleeping in before he left the scene.

The blood on the carpet in the main bedroom is not consistent with a shot body being moved or dragged. Jeremy would then have to replace that carpet also then some how use residual blood to re simulate the event.

Its easy to say Jeremy could do this and could do that but your really under estimating what is required in order.

There is no evidence of Jeremy replacing sheets and its impossible for him to install new carpets after he killed everyone but before he returned home to call the police. This is utterly absurd or ridiculous

there is certainly no evidence that bamber didnt change the sheets or  pillow case.there would be no blood on the carpet when he moved her .it would have leaked onto her nightie and on bamber.also if he placed a teeshirt or cloth was wrapped around in slightly in front of the silencer .than fired the shot all splatter would be contained on the cloth or teeshirt .the same cloth would have than  been placed on her wound .than she would have been carried and propped against the bed cabinet.

[adam]

Adam the Neck has allot of blood circulation. In a text book I have written by William G. Eckert, MD
Forensic Pathologist Simi Valley, California and co authored by Stuart H. James and Associates Forensic Consultants.

I quote from page 123

Injuries to the neck produced by penetration of a projectile or by
slashing or stabbing with a sharp instrument may produce severe bleeding
due to the severance of the jugular vein or the carotid arteries. These major
vessels of the neck are located near the surface and have a fixed structure
beneath them and are perhaps the most vulnerable vessels in the body. The
resulting hemorrhage is massive and disabling. Bleeding from the carotid
arteries is rapid as it exits under pressure. The resulting bloodstain patterns
are distinctive in their appearance. Death may ensue quickly due to acute
blood loss and reduced oxygen supply to the brain.

I hope this answers your question

It doesn't. And you haven't said how Sheila ended up in the main bedroom.

Do you believe she slept with June ?

Other suggestions are she was lead at gun point or persuaded to. Or maybe a combination. They are possible providing her footsteps avoided June's blood.

I am sure everyone finally agrees her and the twins slept through it all until it was their turn. Bamber would be mad to risk a 6.4 male and his wife getting out of bed while he prioritised two 6 year old's. Besides which there was none of June's blood on Sheila's hands and feet.

[adam]

there is certainly no evidence that bamber didnt change the sheets or  pillow case.there would be no blood on the carpet when he moved her .it would have leaked onto her nightie and on bamber.also if he placed a teeshirt or cloth was wrapped around in slightly in front of the silencer .than fired the shot all splatter would be contained on the cloth or teeshirt .the same cloth would have than  been placed on her wound .than she would have been carried and propped against the bed cabinet.

That's a good point. He could shoot her once and then just put a large plaster or wrap around bandage on the wound straight away. That would prevent any bleeding onto the bed.

Then take it off a few seconds later with Sheila in the main bedroom.

[david1819]

there is certainly no evidence that bamber didnt change the sheets or  pillow case.there would be no blood on the carpet when he moved her .it would have leaked onto her nightie and on bamber.also if he placed a teeshirt or cloth was wrapped around in slightly in front of the silencer .than fired the shot all splatter would be contained on the cloth or teeshirt .the same cloth would have than  been placed on her wound .than she would have been carried and propped against the bed cabinet.

You say there is no proof Bamber did not change the sheets, that's not how it works the burden of proof is on you to find evidence to suggest he did change the sheets and pillow case. Its not down to me to prove a negative.