A Question of Propaganda.

[Mr Gray]

why do you think the mccs....let 20 or so people in the apartment .destroying evidence...when k MC knew straight away maddie had been abducted.........evidence lost forever....if there was any cos they certainly wasn't any when they had all gone,was there



what is a fact............................i don't think he will loose any sleep over what you think ov him 



   
Conversation among policemen...


He would, later on and as a natural and logical consequence of his professional career and his life, apply to become a Criminal Investigation Coordinator, and as expected, he was promoted to that functional category soon afterwards.

Then...

Well, approximately one year ago, we all watched, stupefied, a sort of spectacle that had until then been unheard of, among us. Like in the witch hunts of the past, a certain media (mainly English, but unfortunately not only that) destroyed a Man from the Portuguese Polícia Judiciária in public. A high-ranking Criminal Investigation career official. A colleague and a friend to so many of us. A character assassination like no other employee of this House had ever been a victim of, before. And why?

Because, as had always been his hallmark, Dr. Gonçalo Amaral, a Polícia Judiciária Criminal Investigation Coordinator, went to fight, committed himself, faced, bravely and decidedly, the difficulties and the setbacks of a service case that is extremely complex and whose outlines are still undefined, and may remain so forever.

Maybe for the first time in the Polícia Judiciária's History, an investigator is exposed in public and his private life is rummaged. Merely because he was investigating a certain suspicious case. Because he was working. Maybe the Portuguese State, the Public Administration, our Polícia Judiciária, should have mechanisms in place to protect its representatives in situations like this one. In order to safeguard them as they carry out their professional activity for the benefit of Public Service. Maybe all of us, colleagues in profession, should have stood up, and honouring the so famous, so traditional and so bandied about "Esprit de Corps" that they say is characteristic of our "House", should have somehow manifested our support of Dr. Gonçalo Amaral.

None of that happened. Gonçalo was alone.

If this strategy catches in the future, tomorrow, when facing powerful, well connected arguidos, it could be other investigators who suffer this ordeal. It could be any one of us. And that may, in a way, mean the end of criminal investigation. At least in the way that we see it and develop it.

May this case be an object for reflection. And an example. And may it allow for us to create ways to avoid its repetition. The ASFICPJ should, maybe, analyse all of this situation, in a serious, conscientious and exhaustive manner. It is its obligation, too.

My friend Gonçalo, I sincerely regret your leaving the Polícia Judiciária, which seems precocious to me, because I admit that you still had a lot to give to the cause of Society, of Justice and of Public Service. Furthermore, our "House" does not own that many resources, both in quality and in quantity, to be able to afford not profiting from them, or, even worse, wasting them.

The only thing that is left for me, facing the reality of facts, is to thank you for your friendship, and to wish you the best of happiness and of success in the new stage of your life that you decided to start now.

Lisboa, July 3, 2008,
João Fernandes Figueira
A.S.F.I.C./P.J. member nr. 711



to read full article below
   
Conversation among policemen...,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,some interesting reading

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id131.html

sorry but your post is gibberish but as you do not care what I think it doesn't matter

[G-Unit]

I wasn't aware he had said this - do you have the exact quote, and the date when he said it?  Thanks.

Always happy to expand your knowledge Alfred;


"While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance."

- The assistant chief constable of Leicestershire, in an official submission of Leicester Police to the Family Division of the High Court, in July 2008

For good measure;

"You will also be aware of the Madeleine McCann case. Both this and the [Ben] Needham case are categorised as a missing persons, rather than child abduction cases, as there is no evidence in either case to support whether the children were or were not abducted."

- The Foreign and Commonwealth Office responding to a Freedom of Information request in connection with missing Ben Needham
http://www.mccannfiles.com

[Jean-Pierre]

How long was he coordinator ?

May 2007 to October 2007.  So five months plus a bit

[Mr Gray]

Always happy to expand your knowledge Alfred;


"While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance."

- The assistant chief constable of Leicestershire, in an official submission of Leicester Police to the Family Division of the High Court, in July 2008

For good measure;

"You will also be aware of the Madeleine McCann case. Both this and the [Ben] Needham case are categorised as a missing persons, rather than child abduction cases, as there is no evidence in either case to support whether the children were or were not abducted."

- The Foreign and Commonwealth Office responding to a Freedom of Information request in connection with missing Ben Needham
http://www.mccannfiles.com

and these statements demonstrate what exactly

[Brietta]

perhaps if we had had a decent investigation from the start there would have been a resolution. There can be no argument that amarals handling of the case was pitiful

I think that stands out as being amongst one of the the most heartbreaking aspects of Madeleine's case. 

Despite the valiant efforts put in by many of the police personnel ... the evidence is that Mr Amaral had decided on the morning of the 4th, prior even to visiting the crime scene, that the Drs McCann 'dunnit'.

The propaganda emanating from a 'source close to the investigation' was unleashed.

[stephen25000]

we don't know what SY have found or not found...a very simple fact which you cannot seem to grasp.

They haven't found Madeleine.

[stephen25000]

I think that stands out as being amongst one of the the most heartbreaking aspects of Madeleine's case. 

Despite the valiant efforts put in by many of the police personnel ... the evidence is that Mr Amaral had decided on the morning of the 4th, prior even to visiting the crime scene, that the Drs McCann 'dunnit'.

The propaganda emanating from a 'source close to the investigation' was unleashed.

What evidence ?

[Brietta]

They haven't found Madeleine or how she disappeared.

Do try and keep up with events.

You do not know what may or may not have been found ... perhaps you should add that such statements are only your opinion.  Unless you are privy to a source no-one else is.

[Brietta]

G.A. did the best ...........he was allowed to do

he was there................he read the doubters reports to the abduction theory,,,both UK/Portuguese

IMO .he was on the right track.............he is not to blame he is just another mcc casualty...

same as maddie..................the mccs are responsible for her fate ...not Goncalo Ameral




http://www.mccannfiles.com/id131.html

In my opinion Goncalo Amaral made a dog's breakfast out of Madeleine's case ... he simply was not up to the job.

[G-Unit]

and these statements demonstrate what exactly

Leicestershire Police, having been heavily involved in the early investigation, still had an open mind about what happened.
The Foreign Office are not prepared to advertise any 'abductions' for either the McCanns or the Needhams.

[stephen25000]

In my opinion Goncalo Amaral made a dog's breakfast out of Madeleine's case ... he simply was not up to the job.

The people not up to the job were the parents who did not take care of their children. IMO of course.

[faithlilly]

I think the supporters forget that Amaral's alleged incompetence works both ways. His mistakes may have contributed to Madeleine not being found but conversely his mistakes may have lead to the McCanns 'getting away' with their daughter's disappearance.

You pays your money.........!

[Brietta]

why do you think the mccs....let 20 or so people in the apartment .destroying evidence...when k MC knew straight away maddie had been abducted.........evidence lost forever....if there was any cos they certainly wasn't any when they had all gone,was there



what is a fact............................i don't think he will loose any sleep over what you think ov him 



   
Conversation among policemen...


He would, later on and as a natural and logical consequence of his professional career and his life, apply to become a Criminal Investigation Coordinator, and as expected, he was promoted to that functional category soon afterwards.

Then...

Well, approximately one year ago, we all watched, stupefied, a sort of spectacle that had until then been unheard of, among us. Like in the witch hunts of the past, a certain media (mainly English, but unfortunately not only that) destroyed a Man from the Portuguese Polícia Judiciária in public. A high-ranking Criminal Investigation career official. A colleague and a friend to so many of us. A character assassination like no other employee of this House had ever been a victim of, before. And why?

Because, as had always been his hallmark, Dr. Gonçalo Amaral, a Polícia Judiciária Criminal Investigation Coordinator, went to fight, committed himself, faced, bravely and decidedly, the difficulties and the setbacks of a service case that is extremely complex and whose outlines are still undefined, and may remain so forever.

Maybe for the first time in the Polícia Judiciária's History, an investigator is exposed in public and his private life is rummaged. Merely because he was investigating a certain suspicious case. Because he was working. Maybe the Portuguese State, the Public Administration, our Polícia Judiciária, should have mechanisms in place to protect its representatives in situations like this one. In order to safeguard them as they carry out their professional activity for the benefit of Public Service. Maybe all of us, colleagues in profession, should have stood up, and honouring the so famous, so traditional and so bandied about "Esprit de Corps" that they say is characteristic of our "House", should have somehow manifested our support of Dr. Gonçalo Amaral.

None of that happened. Gonçalo was alone.

If this strategy catches in the future, tomorrow, when facing powerful, well connected arguidos, it could be other investigators who suffer this ordeal. It could be any one of us. And that may, in a way, mean the end of criminal investigation. At least in the way that we see it and develop it.

May this case be an object for reflection. And an example. And may it allow for us to create ways to avoid its repetition. The ASFICPJ should, maybe, analyse all of this situation, in a serious, conscientious and exhaustive manner. It is its obligation, too.

My friend Gonçalo, I sincerely regret your leaving the Polícia Judiciária, which seems precocious to me, because I admit that you still had a lot to give to the cause of Society, of Justice and of Public Service. Furthermore, our "House" does not own that many resources, both in quality and in quantity, to be able to afford not profiting from them, or, even worse, wasting them.

The only thing that is left for me, facing the reality of facts, is to thank you for your friendship, and to wish you the best of happiness and of success in the new stage of your life that you decided to start now.

Lisboa, July 3, 2008,
João Fernandes Figueira
A.S.F.I.C./P.J. member nr. 711



to read full article below
   
Conversation among policemen...,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,some interesting reading

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id131.html

A quick search for ~ João Fernandes Figueira ~ didn't reveal anything other than your link to the mccannfiles and a blog.  So João's 'conversation' strikes me as being just another clumsy example of propaganda unless you can supply independent corroboration that I am wrong ???

Similarly the fiction that it is the victims' responsibility to secure the crime scene and not the policing authority is simply just another piece of propaganda promulgated
(a) to distract from police failure
(b) to excoriate the Drs McCann

Two classic examples of propaganda ... unless you can identify and substantiate João.

[Mr Gray]

They haven't found Madeleine.

we don't know what SY have found or not found...a very simple fact which you cannot seem to grasp.

[Brietta]

May 2007 to October 2007.  So five months plus a bit

Enough time to follow entirely the wrong tack in relation to the disappearance of a child ... particularly not making sure the golden hours were given proper consideration.