Did Nevill Sustain The Four Gunshot Wounds Upstairs On The Landing And Stairs?

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't need to test fire an Anshutz to know I ejects to the right.  I can see with my own two eyes the weapon and have seen videos of the shells being ejected.  I know base don such that the shells are not ejected to the left.

I know the experts FROM THIS CASE assessed the shooter could only have stood in the shaded area and could only have aimed the weapon in the direction of the bed.  The gun had to be aimed with the victim in bed or next to the bed.

You disregard such and just keep making up it is possible for the shooter to have been shooting into the hall.  You want to pretend Nevill was sideways on the stairs being shot at though the gun was aimed inside the room and it would make no sense to be sideways on the stairs.

There is good reason the defense didn't try raising any such claims- it is nonsense.

Make up the victims were anywhere next to the bed you want trying to explain where the shooter stood and the victim was by the bed or in the bed.  That is the most one can do.  The killer was shooting at people in/on the bed or next to the bed with the exception of the shot fired when June was in the doorway.

I'm very well aware that the anshutz ejects spent cartridges to the right and my theory fits with this. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgz0lqGVouo

[Holly Goodhead]

Does anyone know who was responsible for drawing this up:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6697.0;attach=5896

[scipio_usmc]

I TOTALLY diagree my theory is entirely plausible and accounts for:

- None of NB's blood found in the main bedroom
- Casing location
- Trajectories of wounds

My post #1 in this thread is by far the best post I have made to date on Blue or Red and is potentially a real game changer. 

NB's location on the stairs immediately preceding the main bedroom will be proven by taking the difference in height between NB and SC, the depth of the step and trajectories of wounds. 

Who drew the sketch of the main bedroom showing location of casings?

Post expert evidence that Nevill's blood would have to be found in the room where he received the 4 shots to the left side of his body.  You have none because it is not mandatory for his blood to have dripped in the room where he received these shots.

The graze wound would not result in him dripping blood.
The arm wound wound not be likely to result in him dripping blood his clothing soaked up the blood.  When his blood soaked clothing bumped the wall that was when he transferred blood.
The lip wound wound not be likely to result in blood leaking.
The jaw wound would likely result in internal bleeding in his mouth. If he tried to speak while his mouth was full of blood that is when he would be likely to have blood leak out most of which would end up on him though a little could hit the floor.

So your entire premise is built around the false proposition that the room where he was shot would have to have his blood.  You made this up from thin air you have no expert support at all.

It is also built on the fictional notion none of his blood was in the master bedroom though it very well could have been.  They didn't test the bedding or most of the blood stains on the carpet.  The only way to prove his blood wasn't there would be to test all such evidence to detail whose blood every drop was.  But even if his blood wasn't there it is meaningless because the wounds would not necessarily result in any blood in the room where he was shot.

You are even more delusional in claiming the casings support you.  The casings prove the shooter was int he bedroom and shot in the direction of the bed.  The casings would have been in the hallway if the shooter were firing while in the hall or by the wall with the window if in the bedroom firing into the hall.

The trajectory of the shots makes your claims totally impossible you are delusional in claiming the trajectory supports you.  The killer was facing Nevill's left profile. Nevill can't have been on the stairs and yet shot in his left profile unless he was coming up the stairs and the killer was standing in Sheila's doorway.  That would result in the casings going down the stairs not into the master bedroom.  Indeed most of the casings were behind the doorway which means the door would have to be closed for the casings to get there.  With the door closed the shooter would have to be inside the room.

You completely ignore the bullet that grazed Nevill was found in the bedroom in the meantime.

All you keep doing is ignoring reality and saying the evidence supports you when in reality it refutes your babble instead.

Your behavior is much like NGB's irrational behavior when we debated history.  He said he saw the US military being defeated in Vietnam and trashed the US military.  I noted the US military won every battle and left as victors with a peace treaty in hand I dared him to post where we were defeated.  He said he saw the US military get crushed when the US military pulled out of the US embassy.  I retorted that at a result of the Peace treaty our military left and we had only about 200 military left in country most guarding the embassy only.  How does a million man force facing 200 men guarding an embassy amount to defeating the US military and mean that the US military is weak? 

NGB is so anti-American that he has to live the pretense in his mind that the US has a weak military and evil foreign policy.  He is Soviet sympathizer which would seem to account for his bias.  The same way he prefers to live in a fantasy world rather than face reality so too do you seem to do so.   You are doing the same exact thing he did. Like he wants to pretend that the US military was defeated in Vietnam you want to pretend that the evidence proves what you wish it proved instead of facing what it actually proves.  NGB does the same with some issues of this case for instance he said he thinks it is possible Sheila was killed in the kitchen and her body moved which made Harters go crazy and he got banned for tearing into NGB so heavily. The same way he ignored the evidence that proves she was shot in the bedroom so too do you ignore the evidence proving that is where Nevill was shot. In NGB you have chosen a poor example to worship and emulate.  It won't get you very far.

   

[scipio_usmc]

I'm very well aware that the anshutz ejects spent cartridges to the right and my theory fits with this. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgz0lqGVouo

No it doesn't.  If the shooter were in the hall shooting at someone on the stairs then the casings would be on the stairs or at the bottom of the stairs.  In the meantime the trajectory of the shots wound have been to Nevill's back not his profile.  The bullet that grazed him would not be in the bedroom either.

Shooting from the bedroom into the hall would result in the casings being near the chair against the wall with the window.  Instead they were found behind the door which not only is to the left of where the weapon would be but worse would be impossible for the casing to go unless the door were a hologram...

[rotti]

Post expert evidence that Nevill's blood would have to be found in the room where he received the 4 shots to the left side of his body.  You have none because it is not mandatory for his blood to have dripped in the room where he received these shots.

The graze wound would not result in him dripping blood.
The arm wound wound not be likely to result in him dripping blood his clothing soaked up the blood.  When his blood soaked clothing bumped the wall that was when he transferred blood.
The lip wound wound not be likely to result in blood leaking.
The jaw wound would likely result in internal bleeding in his mouth. If he tried to speak while his mouth was full of blood that is when he would be likely to have blood leak out most of which would end up on him though a little could hit the floor.

So your entire premise is built around the false proposition that the room where he was shot would have to have his blood.  You made this up from thin air you have no expert support at all.
blood loss.

It is also built on the fictional notion none of his blood was in the master bedroom though it very well could have been.  They didn't test the bedding or most of the blood stains on the carpet.  The only way to prove his blood wasn't there would be to test all such evidence to detail whose blood every drop was.  But even if his blood wasn't there it is meaningless because the wounds would not necessarily result in any blood int he room where he was shot.

You are even more delusional in claiming the casings support you.  The casings prove the shooter was int he bedroom and shot in the direction of the bed.  The casings woudl have been int he hallway if the shooter were firing while in the hall or by the wall with the window if in the bedroom firing into the hall.

The trajectory of the shots makes your claims totally impossible you are delusional in claimign the trajectory supports you.  The killer was facing Nevill's left profile. Nevill can't have been on the stairs and yet shot in his left profile unless he was coming up the stairs and the killer was standing in Sheila's doorway.  That would result in the casings going down the stairs not into the master bedroom.  Indeed most of the casings were behind the doorway which means the door would have to be closed for the casings to get there.  With the door closed the shooter would have to be inside the room.

You completely ignore the bullet that grazed Nevill was found in the bedroom in the meantime.

All you keep doing is ignoring reality and saying the evidence supports you when in reality it refutes your babble instead.

Your behavior is much like NGB's irraitional behavior when we debated history.  He said he saw the US military being defeated in Vietnam and trashed the US military.  I noted the US military won every battle and left as victors with a peace treaty in hand I dared him to post where we were defeated.  He said he saw the US military get crushed when the US military pulled out of the US embassy.  I retorted that at a result of the Peace treaty out military left and we had only about 200 military left in country most guarding the embassy only.  How does a million man force facing 200 men guarding an embassy amount to defeating the US military and mean that the US military is weak?

NGB is so anti-American that he has to live the pretense in his mind that the US has a weak military and evil foreign policy.  He is Soviet sympathizer which would seem to account for his bias.  The same way he prefers to live in a fantasy world rather than face reality so too do you seem to do so.   You are doing the same exact thing he did. Like he wants to pretend that the US military was defeated in Vietnam you want to pretend that the evidence proves what you wish it proved instead of facing what it actually proves.  NGB does the same with some issues of this case for instance he said he thinks it is possible Heila was killed in the kitchen and her body moved which made Harters go crazy and he got banned for tearing into NGB so heavily. The same way he ignored the evidence that proves she was shot in the bedroom so too do you ignore the evidence proving that is where Nevill was shot. In NGB you have chosen a poor example to worship and emulate.  It won't get you very far.

 

brilliantly explained.master Scipio.

[Holly Goodhead]

Post expert evidence that Nevill's blood would have to be found in the room where he received the 4 shots to the left side of his body.  You have none because it is not mandatory for his blood to have dripped in the room where he received these shots.

The graze wound would not result in him dripping blood.
The arm wound wound not be likely to result in him dripping blood his clothing soaked up the blood.  When his blood soaked clothing bumped the wall that was when he transferred blood.
The lip wound wound not be likely to result in blood leaking.
The jaw wound would likely result in internal bleeding in his mouth. If he tried to speak while his mouth was full of blood that is when he would be likely to have blood leak out most of which would end up on him though a little could hit the floor.

So your entire premise is built around the false proposition that the room where he was shot would have to have his blood.  You made this up from thin air you have no expert support at all.
blood loss.

It is also built on the fictional notion none of his blood was in the master bedroom though it very well could have been.  They didn't test the bedding or most of the blood stains on the carpet.  The only way to prove his blood wasn't there would be to test all such evidence to detail whose blood every drop was.  But even if his blood wasn't there it is meaningless because the wounds would not necessarily result in any blood int he room where he was shot.

You are even more delusional in claiming the casings support you.  The casings prove the shooter was int he bedroom and shot in the direction of the bed.  The casings woudl have been int he hallway if the shooter were firing while in the hall or by the wall with the window if in the bedroom firing into the hall.

The trajectory of the shots makes your claims totally impossible you are delusional in claimign the trajectory supports you.  The killer was facing Nevill's left profile. Nevill can't have been on the stairs and yet shot in his left profile unless he was coming up the stairs and the killer was standing in Sheila's doorway.  That would result in the casings going down the stairs not into the master bedroom.  Indeed most of the casings were behind the doorway which means the door would have to be closed for the casings to get there.  With the door closed the shooter would have to be inside the room.

You completely ignore the bullet that grazed Nevill was found in the bedroom in the meantime.

All you keep doing is ignoring reality and saying the evidence supports you when in reality it refutes your babble instead.

Your behavior is much like NGB's irraitional behavior when we debated history.  He said he saw the US military being defeated in Vietnam and trashed the US military.  I noted the US military won every battle and left as victors with a peace treaty in hand I dared him to post where we were defeated.  He said he saw the US military get crushed when the US military pulled out of the US embassy.  I retorted that at a result of the Peace treaty out military left and we had only about 200 military left in country most guarding the embassy only.  How does a million man force facing 200 men guarding an embassy amount to defeating the US military and mean that the US military is weak?

NGB is so anti-American that he has to live the pretense in his mind that the US has a weak military and evil foreign policy.  He is Soviet sympathizer which would seem to account for his bias.  The same way he prefers to live in a fantasy world rather than face reality so too do you seem to do so.   You are doing the same exact thing he did. Like he wants to pretend that the US military was defeated in Vietnam you want to pretend that the evidence proves what you wish it proved instead of facing what it actually proves.  NGB does the same with some issues of this case for instance he said he thinks it is possible Heila was killed in the kitchen and her body moved which made Harters go crazy and he got banned for tearing into NGB so heavily. The same way he ignored the evidence that proves she was shot in the bedroom so too do you ignore the evidence proving that is where Nevill was shot. In NGB you have chosen a poor example to worship and emulate.  It won't get you very far.

If you dont think NB's blood dripped whose blood was this then?

Two blood stained carpet samples were taken from the landing DRH/47 and DRH/49.  Again I havent seen any results even if negative.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=221

According to AE's WS EP pointed out some blood on the stairs:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=3100

There was also a "light distribution" on the kitchen floor:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=216;image

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=217

NB's facial wounds were not to the left side as per diagram and autopsy report:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6883.0;attach=5944

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=676

These wounds were so serious they would have killed NB had the head shots not supervened.  Had the facial shots been to the left profile as you claim they would not have been so serious.

Can I ask that you stick to topic please.  Your comments re NGB have no relevance to this thread.

I would be grateful if you could respond to my post on the other thread re the garment hanging over banister.

[Holly Goodhead]

Post expert evidence that Nevill's blood would have to be found in the room where he received the 4 shots to the left side of his body.  You have none because it is not mandatory for his blood to have dripped in the room where he received these shots.

The graze wound would not result in him dripping blood.
The arm wound wound not be likely to result in him dripping blood his clothing soaked up the blood.  When his blood soaked clothing bumped the wall that was when he transferred blood.
The lip wound wound not be likely to result in blood leaking.
The jaw wound would likely result in internal bleeding in his mouth. If he tried to speak while his mouth was full of blood that is when he would be likely to have blood leak out most of which would end up on him though a little could hit the floor.

So your entire premise is built around the false proposition that the room where he was shot would have to have his blood.  You made this up from thin air you have no expert support at all.

It is also built on the fictional notion none of his blood was in the master bedroom though it very well could have been. They didn't test the bedding or most of the blood stains on the carpet.  The only way to prove his blood wasn't there would be to test all such evidence to detail whose blood every drop was.  But even if his blood wasn't there it is meaningless because the wounds would not necessarily result in any blood in the room where he was shot.

You are even more delusional in claiming the casings support you.  The casings prove the shooter was int he bedroom and shot in the direction of the bed.  The casings would have been in the hallway if the shooter were firing while in the hall or by the wall with the window if in the bedroom firing into the hall.

The trajectory of the shots makes your claims totally impossible you are delusional in claiming the trajectory supports you.  The killer was facing Nevill's left profile. Nevill can't have been on the stairs and yet shot in his left profile unless he was coming up the stairs and the killer was standing in Sheila's doorway.  That would result in the casings going down the stairs not into the master bedroom.  Indeed most of the casings were behind the doorway which means the door would have to be closed for the casings to get there.  With the door closed the shooter would have to be inside the room.

You completely ignore the bullet that grazed Nevill was found in the bedroom in the meantime.

All you keep doing is ignoring reality and saying the evidence supports you when in reality it refutes your babble instead.

SNIP:

As far as I am aware the bedding was tested.  DC Hammersley's trial testimony confirms everything of evidential value was removed.  I assume removed for forensic analysis?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=223;image

[scipio_usmc]

As far as I am aware the bedding was tested.  DC Hammersley's trial testimony confirms everything of evidential value was removed.  I assume removed for forensic analysis?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=223;image

In other words you choose to just make things up.  The bedding was not tested.  They did not test ANY of the blood on the bedding. What they took was the pillowcases and bottom sheet.  They intended to leave most of the bedding for the family to dispose of but burned it for Jeremy.   rational person would look for evidence of sheets being sent to the lab and tested before asserting blood testing was done.   It wasn't.  The only items blood tested from the bedroom were the socks and 5 drops from each of the 2 pieces of carpet they took.   

[Holly Goodhead]

No it doesn't.  If the shooter were in the hall shooting at someone on the stairs then the casings would be on the stairs or at the bottom of the stairs.  In the meantime the trajectory of the shots wound have been to Nevill's back not his profile.  The bullet that grazed him would not be in the bedroom either.

Shooting from the bedroom into the hall would result in the casings being near the chair against the wall with the window.  Instead they were found behind the door which not only is to the left of where the weapon would be but worse would be impossible for the casing to go unless the door were a hologram...

The shooter was standing in the bedroom for the facial shots with the barrel extending onto the landing and the ejector port within the main bedroom.  This accounts for casing DRH/3 and DRH/4.  They were restricted from going far due to internal walls.  The shooter and NB were on the main stairs facing downwards towards the main hall for the elbow and shoulder shots and casings DRH/13 and DRH/14 account for these shots.  The ejection port ejected the cartridges to the right with DRH/13 landing on the transition plate and DRH/14 rolling a little further back.

[rotti]

As far as I am aware the bedding was tested.  DC Hammersley's trial testimony confirms everything of evidential value was removed.  I assume removed for forensic analysis?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=223;image

the bedsheets and pillow would not have any evidence them.because they were not on the bed.the ones on the bed bamber took with him

[Holly Goodhead]

In other words you choose to just make things up.  The bedding was not tested.  They did not test ANY of the blood on the bedding. What they took was the pillowcases and bottom sheet.  They intended to leave most of the bedding for the family to dispose of but burned it for Jeremy.   rational person would look for evidence of sheets being sent to the lab and tested before asserting blood testing was done.   It wasn't.  The only items blood tested from the bedroom were the socks and 5 drops from each of the 2 pieces of carpet they took.

How am I making things up when SoC officer, DC Hammersley, stated in his trial testimony that the bed was stripped and everything of evidential value removed? 



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=223;image

[Holly Goodhead]

the bedsheets and pillow would not have any evidence them.because they were not on the bed.the ones on the bed bamber took with him

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5594.0;attach=4504

[scipio_usmc]

If you dont think NB's blood dripped whose blood was this then?

Two blood stained carpet samples were taken from the landing DRH/47 and DRH/49.  Again I havent seen any results even if negative.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=221

According to AE's WS EP pointed out some blood on the stairs:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=3100

There was also a "light distribution" on the kitchen floor:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=216;image

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=217

NB's facial wounds were not to the left side as per diagram and autopsy report:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6883.0;attach=5944

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=676

These wounds were so serious they would have killed NB had the head shots not supervened.  Had the facial shots been to the left profile as you claim they would not have been so serious.

Can I ask that you stick to topic please.  Your comments re NGB have no relevance to this thread.

I would be grateful if you could respond to my post on the other thread re the garment hanging over banister.

Nevill's blood dripped in the hall one of 2 ways:

1) he tried to wake Sheila by talking or otherwise opened his mouth for some other reason resulting in some blood loss

or

2) a little of his blood dripped off the weapon/killer which had been his with his spatter.

It is obvious that the blood didn't leak as a result of him being shot there but rather was dripped there subsequent to him being wounded or killed.

You keep making the false argument that his blood would have to have been in the bedroom if he was shot there which is false.  Even if he dripped blood in the hall and down the stairs it would not prove he had to drip it in the bedroom.  His mouth first had to fill with blood and then him to open his mouth for him to drip blood.

FURTHERMORE, they didn't test most of the blood in the bedroom so you have no way to know whether any of the multitude of drops on the carpet were his blood or not and no way to know if any of his blood was on the bedding or not.  All you know is that the blood on the socks and the ten drops tested from the carpet were not his. The samples of carpet contained more than 5 drops of blood but only 5 were tested.  It is possible for one of the untested drops to be Nevill's.  There was more blood on the rugs that was not cut out also.

It doesn't matter how many times you raise your nonsense the following facts will still always be true:

1) Nevill could have been shot in the bedroom and left without dripping any blood in there.

2) Some of the blood in the bedroom never tested could have been Nevill's.

You just keep making up the fiction that his blood would have to have been dripped in the room where he was shot and that the bedroom definitely had none of his blood.  The same way a court woudl ignore your mad eup claims so too do I.

[rotti]

In other words you choose to just make things up.  The bedding was not tested.  They did not test ANY of the blood on the bedding. What they took was the pillowcases and bottom sheet.  They intended to leave most of the bedding for the family to dispose of but burned it for Jeremy.   rational person would look for evidence of sheets being sent to the lab and tested before asserting blood testing was done.   It wasn't.  The only items blood tested from the bedroom were the socks and 5 drops from each of the 2 pieces of carpet they took.

see holly now you know why is called the master.if youre going to discuss facts with master scipio.than you better read every bit of information regarding the case and also every diagram and photo.because thats what the master has done

[scipio_usmc]

How am I making things up when SoC officer, DC Hammersley, stated in his trial testimony that the bed was stripped and everything of evidential value removed? 



http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=223;image

They said they burned most of the bedding. You chose to ignore most of it was burned and PRETEND it was all send to the lab to be blood tested though as i have pointed out to you COUNTLESS TIMES EVERY piece of evidence that was blood tested was addressed by defense expert Lincoln so all you have to do is read his report to know what was tested you don't even need to go through all the lab HOLAB crap posted on blue to try to figure it out. 

They didn't consider the most of the bedding important evidence wise so burned it.  They already had enough proof that Nevill, June and Sheila were shot in the bedroom so had no need to test most of the blood.  They tested the blood they did to help establish June's movements.