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Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1140 on: October 09, 2018, 06:02:47 PM »
Except Holly.  ?{)(**

Offline adam

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« Reply #1141 on: October 09, 2018, 06:10:03 PM »
Holly will agree that it would take several minutes for Bamber to be 'awoken' from sleeping 'like a log', realise the 'downstairs' phone was ringing, decide to & go & answer it. However Bamber only had 10 seconds.

Holly will agree there is no benefit in Nevill leaving a message on an answering machine.

Offline Myster

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« Reply #1142 on: October 09, 2018, 06:16:31 PM »
Best of luck with that.

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Offline Nicholas

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« Reply #1144 on: October 09, 2018, 08:13:46 PM »
The 17th Annual Miscarriage of Justice Conference is apparently on this Saturday

With the usual faces by the looks of it?

http://www.unitedagainstinjustice.com

Hope there's not another meeting in Oldham or Manchester planned for the same day http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=89.msg766
« Last Edit: October 09, 2018, 08:22:45 PM by Stephanie »
A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes

Online Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1145 on: October 10, 2018, 03:40:16 PM »
Reply 1133 has the required document.

Proof must be supplied that Bamber's answering machine was not working, and that Nevill knew this.

Otherwise guilt has to be accepted by everyone.

I can't access the doc as I'm not registered on Blue.  In any event the doc will need show JB had an answering machine pre tragedy at BC.

No one mentions answering machines eg JM et al, AE et al, EP.

England Women's National Football Team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xyZlw6nFJ4

Sir David Attenborough added: "They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds. I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."

Online Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1146 on: October 10, 2018, 04:09:54 PM »
Holly will agree that it would take several minutes for Bamber to be 'awoken' from sleeping 'like a log', realise the 'downstairs' phone was ringing, decide to & go & answer it. However Bamber only had 10 seconds.

Holly will agree there is no benefit in Nevill leaving a message on an answering machine.

The following states the threshold noise level for waking at night is 42db.  The sound of a phone ringing is put at 80 db. 

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/202na3_en.pdf

http://chchearing.org/noise/common-environmental-noise-levels/

For those that don't have sleep problems it depends where in the sleep cycle you are as to how easy/difficult it will be for you to wake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement_sleep

No idea where the 10 seconds comes from?
England Women's National Football Team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xyZlw6nFJ4

Sir David Attenborough added: "They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds. I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1147 on: October 10, 2018, 04:27:44 PM »
Don't forget to throw a closed door or two into the equation.

Offline APRIL

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« Reply #1148 on: October 10, 2018, 06:05:06 PM »
Don't forget to throw a closed door or two into the equation.


It's not impossible that his hearing was impaired from all those hours spent in the noisy tractor cab.

Offline adam

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« Reply #1149 on: October 10, 2018, 06:43:50 PM »
The following states the threshold noise level for waking at night is 42db.  The sound of a phone ringing is put at 80 db. 

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/202na3_en.pdf

http://chchearing.org/noise/common-environmental-noise-levels/

For those that don't have sleep problems it depends where in the sleep cycle you are as to how easy/difficult it will be for you to wake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement_sleep

No idea where the 10 seconds comes from?

How would he wake, realise the phone was ringing, decide to answer it & get downstairs. Before Nevill had left his message ? Which would be within 5-10 seconds.

Offline Caroline

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1150 on: October 10, 2018, 07:05:57 PM »
The following states the threshold noise level for waking at night is 42db.  The sound of a phone ringing is put at 80 db. 

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/202na3_en.pdf

http://chchearing.org/noise/common-environmental-noise-levels/

For those that don't have sleep problems it depends where in the sleep cycle you are as to how easy/difficult it will be for you to wake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement_sleep

No idea where the 10 seconds comes from?

I would also imagine it depends where the source of the noise is, relative to the individual. Fine if bother were in the same room, not quite the same when they are separated by walls.

Offline Myster

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1151 on: October 10, 2018, 07:14:08 PM »

It's not impossible that his hearing was impaired from all those hours spent in the noisy tractor cab.
Yes, all those dreary misspent hours... farming in the Antipodes.  8((()*/

Online Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1152 on: October 12, 2018, 01:26:07 PM »
Don't forget to throw a closed door or two into the equation.

How would we know whether or not he slept with internal doors opened/closed?

How would we know about the ringer volume!?

England Women's National Football Team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xyZlw6nFJ4

Sir David Attenborough added: "They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds. I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."

Online Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1153 on: October 12, 2018, 01:27:50 PM »

It's not impossible that his hearing was impaired from all those hours spent in the noisy tractor cab.

Or the grief from all the women in his life!
England Women's National Football Team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xyZlw6nFJ4

Sir David Attenborough added: "They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds. I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."

Online Holly Goodhead

Re: J B Campaign Ltd - Much Ado About Nothing...
« Reply #1154 on: October 12, 2018, 01:31:48 PM »
How would he wake, realise the phone was ringing, decide to answer it & get downstairs. Before Nevill had left his message ? Which would be within 5-10 seconds.

I don't believe there's any evidence JB had an answering machine at BC pre tragedy.  EP interviewed him under caution about the phones but at no time did they ask about an answering machine. 
England Women's National Football Team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xyZlw6nFJ4

Sir David Attenborough added: "They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds. I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."