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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #915 on: January 16, 2016, 04:21:34 PM »

dont quite get what you mean babe...............my point was


the mccs ..did everything wrong.....as parents ....as doctors

Don't try to use the Rotherham Scandal as another stick with which to beat The McCanns, Sweet Cheeks.

Offline xtina

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #916 on: January 16, 2016, 04:29:15 PM »
Don't try to use the Rotherham Scandal as another stick with which to beat The McCanns, Sweet Cheeks.



no ...babes ...i don't use sticks ...just opinions OK.......

i think the sticks are used for G A poor man ....he lost everything ....all he was doing was his job ....that he should have been left to do..
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

ferryman

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #917 on: January 16, 2016, 04:31:39 PM »


no ...babes ...i don't use sticks ...just opinions OK.......

i think the sticks are used for G A poor man ....he lost everything ....all he was doing was his job ....that he should have been left to do..

It was no part of Amaral's job to cover for fellow thugs of the PJ who beat the cr*p out of a poor, defenceless and vulnerable Portuguese woman ....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #918 on: January 16, 2016, 04:32:46 PM »


no ...babes ...i don't use sticks ...just opinions OK.......

i think the sticks are used for G A poor man ....he lost everything ....all he was doing was his job ....that he should have been left to do..

If only he had been any good at it.

Offline xtina

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #919 on: January 16, 2016, 04:35:51 PM »
It was no part of Amaral's job to cover for fellow thugs of the PJ who beat the cr*p out of a poor, defenceless and vulnerable Portuguese woman ....



that's only your opinion of it all

I'm more interested in all the cover ups of what happened to a little girl called maddie ...

with too much government involvement and not enough policing ...

i believe GA was removed for that reason
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline xtina

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #920 on: January 16, 2016, 04:37:43 PM »
If only he had been any good at it.


could say that about  mccs being parents
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

ferryman

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #921 on: January 16, 2016, 04:39:17 PM »


that's only your opinion of it all

I'm more interested in all the cover ups of what happened to a little girl called maddie ...

with too much government involvement and not enough policing ...

i believe GA was removed for that reason

I believe we are off-topic.

But still, there was no "cover-up" about what happened to Madeleine, and the outcome of the (second) enquiry has not, yet, been revealed.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #922 on: January 16, 2016, 04:39:46 PM »


no ...babes ...i don't use sticks ...just opinions OK.......

i think the sticks are used for G A poor man ....he lost everything ....all he was doing was his job ....that he should have been left to do..

Was writing a book and making a documentary a part of his job?

Offline xtina

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #923 on: January 16, 2016, 04:42:11 PM »
Was writing a book and making a documentary a part of his job?


was he employed then .....did he have a job...... 8**8:/:
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #924 on: January 16, 2016, 04:44:42 PM »
No evidence against the Ciprianos.

It's plain and straightforward.

No doubt you read all the court records and were present at all hearings interviews etc?
Well I would expect nothing less for you to be able to speak with such authority.
Maybe you should hire yourself out at a grand a day or so as a world leading authority on the subject ?.
Or may be a general purpose jack of all trades who knows nothing about everything as opposed to an expert who knows everything about nothing..... 8(0(*

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Offline Benice

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #925 on: January 16, 2016, 05:09:29 PM »
well G A ....was a detective .....and according to some ...he didn't do his job...he has stayed focus on maddie the victim in all this through no fault of her own

now what about them two .....they never did there job ....as either parents ....or doctors....they are the ones that are a disgrace .......because they knew what they were doing was wrong...and have focused more on there reputation ....and what it has done to them



However deluded they are, even the most rabid McCann supporter must acknowledge that being left unattended in an unlocked apartment subjected the mccs children to the risk of harm.

Under new legislation David Cameron proposes to introduce as a result of the safeguarding issues raised by the Rotherham child exploitation case and others, anyone in a position of responsibility, such as a teacher, social worker or police officer, who becomes aware of a child placed at risk the way Madeleine was and yet fails to report this to the authorities, faces a jail term of up to five years.

So what does this have to do with the McCanns?

Well, had this legislation been in place at the time, a certain social worker who has been vilified for making contact with the police would have been compelled to do so as a professional responsibility, or risk a prison sentence. This would probably also apply to the childcare workers.


Just to add that medical staff were already expected to report care concerns to Social Services, so Kate McCann, as a GP, would have been expected to report to the authorities any children on her register that she knew were being left alone in the way that the McCann children were.


How many more times.     The McCanns did no different to hundreds of thousands of other parents who have  left their children asleep and gone to dinner WHILST ON HOLIDAY - knowing they would be regularly checked.   This has been an accepted method of childcare for years and years for families WHILST ON HOLIDAY - and one which is offered as a SERVICE to parents by hoteliers, tour operators etc. for people WHILST ON HOLIDAY.

If they did wrong then so has every other parent who has done the same - some of whom are still doing the same.    AFAIK no-one has ever been arrested for signing up to the Listening Service and going to dinner WHILST ON HOLIDAY    AFAIK no-one has been arrested for leaving their children asleep and taking a baby alarm with them to go to dinner or to a bar - or wherever - WHILST ON HOLIDAY.

The only difference between the McCanns and those other parents is that their child disappeared.   I've no doubt that many of those other parents who did the same at that time - went home breathing a huge sigh of relief and thinking '''There for the grace of God.......     I'm also sure that after seeing what happened to Madeleine  many of them would never contemplate doing that again.    Unfortunately many have not - and so it still carries on.    Which is why I think it should be banned.

Talking as if  the McCanns are the only parents on the planet to have mirrored the Listening service  - and that it is some terrible crime which is unique only to them -  for which they deserve to be persecuted and hounded  for the rest of their lives-  is totally inexplicable to me.    It could have happened to any number of the thousands of other children whose parents did the same IMO.   

And please don't tell me that no other parents who have left their children asleep have ever left a window open or unlocked  - or a door unlocked or a key under the mat when they went off for their evening meal.

 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline xtina

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #926 on: January 16, 2016, 05:12:33 PM »

How many more times.     The McCanns did no different to hundreds of thousands of other parents who have  left their children asleep and gone to dinner WHILST ON HOLIDAY - knowing they would be regularly checked.   This has been an accepted method of childcare for years and years for families WHILST ON HOLIDAY - and one which is offered as a SERVICE to parents by hoteliers, tour operators etc. for people WHILST ON HOLIDAY.

If they did wrong then so has every other parent who has done the same - some of whom are still doing the same.    AFAIK no-one has ever been arrested for signing up to the Listening Service and going to dinner WHILST ON HOLIDAY    AFAIK no-one has been arrested for leaving their children asleep and taking a baby alarm with them to go to dinner or to a bar - or wherever - WHILST ON HOLIDAY.





The only difference between the McCanns and those other parents is that their child disappeared.   I've no doubt that many of those other parents who did the same at that time - went home breathing a huge sigh of relief and thinking '''There for the grace of God.......     I'm also sure that after seeing what happened to Madeleine  many of them would never contemplate doing that again.    Unfortunately many have not - and so it still carries on.    Which is why I think it should be banned.

Talking as if  the McCanns are the only parents on the planet to have mirrored the Listening service  - and that it is some terrible crime which is unique only to them -  for which they deserve to be persecuted and hounded  for the rest of their lives-  is totally inexplicable to me.    It could have happened to any number of the thousands of other children whose parents did the same IMO.   

And please don't tell me that no other parents who have left their children asleep have ever left a window open or unlocked  - or a door unlocked or a key under the mat when they went off for their evening meal.




Oh fgs......how ott is that post ...and off topic




ooops  @)(++(*
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Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Benice

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #927 on: January 16, 2016, 05:24:54 PM »



Oh fgs......how ott is that post ...and off topic




ooops  @)(++(*

You posted this:-

''However deluded they are, even the most rabid McCann supporter must acknowledge that being left unattended in an unlocked apartment subjected the mccs children to the risk of harm.''

So if my post - which is a response to that comment -  is off topic - so is yours.

 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #928 on: January 16, 2016, 05:26:08 PM »
If I may make a request, without unduly disrupting the flow of squabbles, if anyone finds a link to the official ruling over Leonor's perjury case, I'd be interested in reading it.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #929 on: January 16, 2016, 05:34:05 PM »
No doubt you read all the court records and were present at all hearings interviews etc?
Well I would expect nothing less for you to be able to speak with such authority.
Maybe you should hire yourself out at a grand a day or so as a world leading authority on the subject ?.
Or may be a general purpose jack of all trades who knows nothing about everything as opposed to an expert who knows everything about nothing..... 8(0(*

i don't know why yopu continue to post such conkers...we don't need to see all the court transcripts...although we have seen some. we know enough about Barry george to know the evidence against him and we know enough about the cipriano case to know there was no evidence against them.....
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