Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Alice Purjorick]

Most of us already know that...OJ Simpson was found not guilty at the criminal level of proof but guilty at the civil level...balance of probabilities....

that's why when posters on here talk about there being proof of something...they should define the level of proof they expect.....


so the bottom line is that because cipriano was found guilty beyond reasonable doubt...we still do not really know if she is actually guilty


I don't think much of Ted'd definition by the way

Man you catch on fast. You can take the word Cipriano out of the sentence as it applies to all convicted criminals.
Beyond reasonable doubt is the requirement but this may result in some miscarriages. That if you remember your history was one of the main planks in the campaign for the abolition of capital punishment. Like, under "beyond reasonable doubt" it's possible to stretch the neck of the wrong person by which time it's too late.
As for you not thinking much of Ted's definition perhaps you will tell us how you think it should read.

[Mr Gray]

Man you catch on fast. You can take the word Cipriano out of the sentence as it applies to all convicted criminals.
Beyond reasonable doubt is the requirement but this may result in some miscarriages. That if you remember your history was one of the main planks in the campaign for the abolition of capital punishment. Like, under "beyond reasonable doubt" it's possible to stretch the neck of the wrong person by which time it's too late.
As for you not thinking much of Ted's definition perhaps you will tell us how you think it should read.

it certainly does apply to all convicted criminal...and I catch on very fast. So as individuals we look at the evidence and make our own minds up....doesn't mean much because it's the court that decides. Capital punishment was abolished because the authorities realised people like cipriano could in fact be innocent

[stephen25000]

apology
əˈpɒlədʒi/Submit
noun
1.
a regretful acknowledgement of an offence or failure.
"we owe you an apology"
synonyms:   expression of regret, one's regrets; amende honorable; informalapols; informalbeg-pardon
"I owe you an apology"

the express did not use the word apology and did not express regret so did not imply an apology.......it is untrue to say the express apologised ...as I have PROVED

The Express lied in  saying originally Amaral had lied in court.

The quote from the apology stands.

Your trouble is, that you will say anything to try and denigrate Amaral.

[Mr Gray]

Kate and Gerry McCann: Sorry

The Daily and Sunday Express have taken the unprecedented step of making a front-page apology to Kate and Gerry McCann.

PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, Mar 23, 2008
   
   
   
   
   
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We did so because we accept that a number of articles in the newspaper have suggested that the couple caused the death of their missing daughter Madeleine and then covered it up.
We acknowledge that there is no evidence whatsoever to support this theory and that Kate and Gerry are completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance.
We trust that the suspicion that has clouded their lives for many months will soon be lifted.
As an expression of its regret, the Daily Express has now paid a very substantial sum into the Madeleine Fund and we promise to do all in our power to help efforts to find her.
Kate and Gerry, we are truly sorry to have added to your distress.
We assure you that we hope Madeleine will one day be found alive and well and will be restored to her loving family.




That is an apology...note the two words...apology and regret

[ferryman]

“On the 29th April 2015 we published a headline on the front page which said “Maddy detective did lie about death cover-up claim”. We would like to make it clear that there was no determination by the Portuguese court that Mr Amaral lied. In fact the court ruled that Mr Amaral had breached the McCann’s right to reputation and ordered him to pay damages to them”. - See more at: http://portugalresident.com/uk-daily-express-publishes-written-apology-over-headline-calling-maddie-cop-a-liar#sthash.TmzwYTaV.2Ql1N3tt.dpuf

No determination is not the same as no dispute.

Compare Amaral's interpretation of what Mark Harrison said with what Mark Harrison actually said (for example).

Either Amaral was incompetent or Amaral lied.

If Amaral actually contradicted and corrected Prior on interpretation of the forensic results (as he claims in his book) then Amaral told the truth.

But that seems highly improbable.

Much more likely Amaral lied.

And if Prior actually rang the FSS to berate them on the PJ's powers of arrest, then Amaral told the truth.

Seems much more likely Amaral lied.

At best, Amaral's claim that Eddie scented death all over the place contradicts both Harrison and Grime.

Much more likely Amaral lied.

And so on ....

[Mr Gray]

The Express lied in  saying originally Amaral had lied in court.

The quote from the apology stands.

Your trouble is, that you will say anything to try and denigrate Amaral.

where does the express say amaral did not lie in court
where does the express apologise


neither happened and i'm sure everyone can see how totally wrong you are

[Mr Gray]

The Express lied in  saying originally Amaral had lied in court.

The quote from the apology stands.

Your trouble is, that you will say anything to try and denigrate Amaral.

i am reporting you post for libel...there is no evidence the express lied

[stephen25000]

where does the express say amaral did not lie in court
where does the express apologise


neither happened and i'm sure everyone can see how totally wrong you are

Actually, ANYONE can see how the Express originally lied about Amaral.

They can also read the APOLOGY.

As to the Express and the other tabloids since the trial, they have never questioned the mccanns versions of events, including the 'abduction', for which there is no evidence that can't be explained by other scenarios.

[Mr Gray]

Actually, ANYONE can see how the Express originally lied about Amaral.

They can also read the APOLOGY.

As to the Express and the other tabloids since the trial, they have never questioned the mccanns versions of events, including the 'abduction', for which there is no evidence that can't be explained by other scenarios.

I think everyone can see how wrong you are...Im off now

[ferryman]

The Express lied in  saying originally Amaral had lied in court.

The quote from the apology stands.

Your trouble is, that you will say anything to try and denigrate Amaral.

The Express said that there was no determination by the court that Amaral lied.

Completely irrelevant to what Amaral may (or may not) have said in court ....

[stephen25000]

The Express said that there was no determination by the court that Amaral lied.

Completely irrelevant to what Amaral may (or may not) have said in court ....

Your view and davel's is irrelevant.

Anyone else can see for themselves what the truth is.

Oh, by the way have you worked out the difference yet between dependent and independent variables ?

[Eleanor]

Back On Topic, Please.  And cut the Insults.

[Alice Purjorick]

it certainly does apply to all convicted criminal...and I catch on very fast. So as individuals we look at the evidence and make our own minds up....doesn't mean much because it's the court that decides. Capital punishment was abolished because the authorities realised people like cipriano could in fact be innocent

To look at all the evidence you will need to have all transcripts of the court proceedings and then some.
As I requested earlier if you have such, which you must have to make some of the comments you do, then post the evidence on here for all of us to see. Meantime I am content with the ruling of the court wrt Leonor Cipriano, her beating, her lack of honesty, her involvement with the murder of her daughter, the conviction of Sr Amaral for perjury and the lack of successful prosecutions of police officers accused of the beatings.
The fact that someone could be innocent does not mean they are.
"Beyond reasonable doubt" .

[Mr Gray]

To look at all the evidence you will need to have all transcripts of the court proceedings and then some.
As I requested earlier if you have such, which you must have to make some of the comments you do, then post the evidence on here for all of us to see. Meantime I am content with the ruling of the court wrt Leonor Cipriano, her beating, her lack of honesty, her involvement with the murder of her daughter, the conviction of Sr Amaral for perjury and the lack of successful prosecutions of police officers accused of the beatings.
The fact that someone could be innocent does not mean they are.
"Beyond reasonable doubt" .

we did  have a link to the court transcripts some time ago...they were discussed at lenghth..perhaps someone still has it...as for the evidence...we know that there was no forensic evidence to support the case...none of the blood discovered matched joanna...there was absolutely no evidence to support the police case that she was dismembered and fed to the pigs.
The only evidence was the confessions...beaten out of her....she may be guilty...but from what we know there is no real evidence to prove it....even beyond reasonable doubt....the lack of evidence is astonishing

[ferryman]

Ah.  Apologies.

Well, I would hope that all decent people who deplore that those beaten to a pulp by police while in police custody (whatever the nation) would deplore the act of those police officers ...

Wouldn't they?