Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Mr Gray]

From the court report, she was formally interviewed (with her lawyer) on 13 Oct. The PJ took her back to the prison at about 6:15 am on the 14 and picked her up again to take her back to the station, but not for "formal" interviews. Again they took her back at around 6 am on 15 Oct, but to the infirmary, where injuries to her face and eyes were noted, but the doctor didn't examine the rest of her body that day, apparently.


so this is from the court reports.....this puts the beating to the 14th of october at the latest

[Mr Gray]

so where is the confirmation that cipriano confessed in front of her lawyer on the 13 th

[Eleanor]

From the court report, she was formally interviewed (with her lawyer) on 13 Oct. The PJ took her back to the prison at about 6:15 am on the 14 and picked her up again to take her back to the station, but not for "formal" interviews. Again they took her back at around 6 am on 15 Oct, but to the infirmary, where injuries to her face and eyes were noted, but the doctor didn't examine the rest of her body that day, apparently.


so this is from the court reports.....this puts the beating to the 14th of october at the latest

There has never been any sensible breakdown of what officially happened.  It is all opinions and second and third hand accounts.  Plus a large number of distortions.

[faithlilly]

There has never been any sensible breakdown of what officially happened.  It is all opinions and second and third hand accounts.  Plus a large number of distortions.

Then that immediately begs the question of why you believe she was beaten to confess instead of simply confessing, in front of her lawyer, the day before the alleged beating ?

[Mr Gray]

Then that immediately begs the question of why you believe she was beaten to confess instead of simply confessing, in front of her lawyer, the day before the alleged beating ?

the question is why posters are claiming that she confessed before the beating ...when that has not been established

[stephen25000]

I don't need to take it up with anyone...John has made it clear he is not sure about exactly what happened

Where did he say that ?


Her first confession is on the 12 th October according to reports. The injuries were sustained afterwards.

[stephen25000]

Now as a general question, and one certain people are avoiding, it is abundantly clear Cipriano changed her testimony several times.

That makes her a LIAR and anything she says has to be judged within that context.

[Mr Gray]

Where did he say that ?


Her first confession is on the 12 th October according to reports. The injuries were sustained afterwards.

according to which reports

[Mr Gray]

Now as a general question, and one certain people are avoiding, it is abundantly clear Cipriano changed her testimony several times.

That makes her a LIAR and anything she says has to be judged within that context.

seems like the whole of the PJ team lied...so same goes for them

[Eleanor]

Then that immediately begs the question of why you believe she was beaten to confess instead of simply confessing, in front of her lawyer, the day before the alleged beating ?

In so far as I have seen, she didn't.  More to the point, after the beating, why did she withdraw her confession to her Lawyer if he was present when she made it?

[faithlilly]

Perhaps certain members would benefit from reading this again.

From CdM :

"Leonor has no credibility
 
The jurors and the collective of judges at the Court of Faro considered that Leonor Cipriano's deposition had "no credibility". According to judge Henrique Pavão, "she changed her version several times" and "lightly" accused persons of aggressing her, based on a list of names that she carried into the court room. "She lied about the identification of the aggressors and she lied about other crucial aspects," the judge mentioned.
 
Concerning the photographs that were taken of Leonor, which were included in the process, the collective considered that they are "of weak quality" and that therefore, "it was not possible to conclude safely about what really happened".

 

[Mr Gray]

Where did he say that ?


Her first confession is on the 12 th October according to reports. The injuries were sustained afterwards.

I posted his post 40 mins ago...you replied to it

[faithlilly]

In so far as I have seen, she didn't.  More to the point, after the beating, why did she withdraw her confession to her Lawyer if he was present when she made it?

But you have agreed that what you believe is based on second hand information so how can you know for sure what happened ?

[Mr Gray]

Perhaps certain members would benefit from reading this again.

From CdM :

"Leonor has no credibility
 
The jurors and the collective of judges at the Court of Faro considered that Leonor Cipriano's deposition had "no credibility". According to judge Henrique Pavão, "she changed her version several times" and "lightly" accused persons of aggressing her, based on a list of names that she carried into the court room. "She lied about the identification of the aggressors and she lied about other crucial aspects," the judge mentioned.
 
Concerning the photographs that were taken of Leonor, which were included in the process, the collective considered that they are "of weak quality" and that therefore, "it was not possible to conclude safely about what really happened".

no doubt the author of this is one of amaral's cronies...the whole pj team had no credibility...according to AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL

[Eleanor]

But you have agreed that what you believe is based on second hand information so how can you know for sure what happened ?

I can't.  That's the point.