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ferryman

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #270 on: January 02, 2016, 04:43:40 PM »
No, you aren't. My "Bias" is based on common sense.  And the whole thing is decidedly iffy.

If any suspect leaves a Police Station looking like she did, it would suggest to any normal person that the conviction was unsafe.

And I assume police stations don't employ make-up artists ....

ferryman

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #271 on: January 02, 2016, 04:54:32 PM »
She threw herself down the stairs so ended up with bruising to her torso as well as the bruising to her head.

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Gonçalo Amaral was sentenced to a year and a half in prison, suspended, for misrepresentation of evidence in the case of aggressions against Leonor Cipriano.
 
The ruling, read this afternoon, also ordered the acquittal of Gonçalo Amaral on the crime of omission of denunciation.
 
All defendants who were accused of the crime of torture - Paulo Pereira Cristóvão, Leonel Marques and Paulo Marques Bom - were acquitted.
 
The inspector António Cardoso, accused of the crime of forgery of a document, was sentenced to two years and three months, also a suspended penalty.
 
The ruling in the case of alleged attacks on Leonor Cipriano was read this afternoon in the Court of Faro.
 
It was taken as proven that Leonor Cipriano was beaten by elements of the Judicial police who could not be identified, and she didn't fall on the stairs, as was suggested. However, the court failed to ascertain the perpetrators of the aggressions.
 
The judges pointed out the importance of Teresa Magalhães' deposition, from the Institute of Forensic medicine, who clarified the origin of Leonor Cipriano's lesions. On the negative side, they highlighted the lack of credibility of the victim's testimony due to the constant change of versions that prevented them ascertaining who was responsible for the aggressions.
 
The case dates back to 2004
 
The process of alleged aggressions against Leonor Cipriano by inspectors of the PJ is related to the "Joana case, which dates back to September 12, 2004, the day when the eight-year-old girl disappeared from the village of Figueira, Portimão, in Algarve.
 
The accusations of the prosecutor against five ex-inspectors and inspectors of the Judicial police emerged following interrogation of the PJ in Faro in 2004, when Leonor had appeared with lesions on her face and body in Odemira prison, where she was in custody.
 
Eight months after the date the trial commenced - on 27 October 2008 - it would be known, on the 14th session of the trial, if the five ex-inspectors and inspectors of the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) were to be acquitted or convicted by a court of jury.
 
Joana's mother, Leonor Cipriano, and uncle, João Cipriano (siblings) were sentenced by the Supreme Court to 16 years in prison each, for crimes of murder and concealment of the child's corpse.
 
For four days, the lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, Aragão Correia, requested the opening of a new investigation in the "Joana case" and the acquittal of the girl's mother, after João Cipriano confessed in writing that he had tried to sell her.


Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #272 on: January 02, 2016, 04:56:21 PM »
err wrong... the third judge found her not guilty of the charge against her, she was never found INNOCENT my dear.  She was in it up to her neck, a sad excuse for a mother and a human being for sure!

Ah, I see, so Not Guilty isn't actually Innocent.  So what is Innocent?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #273 on: January 02, 2016, 04:58:49 PM »
He knew but a child's life was at stake...remember!!

But I thought he thought that the child was already dead.  Didn't you say that she had confessed to murder before she was beaten?
So what stake was there?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #274 on: January 02, 2016, 04:59:28 PM »
Ah, I see, so Not Guilty isn't actually Innocent.  So what is Innocent?

That's Davel's forte.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #275 on: January 02, 2016, 05:00:23 PM »
Mr Amaral was neither tried nor convicted of perjury Eleanor.  Please get it right!

Okay.  He was convicted of falsifying evidence.  And you can cut the insults as well.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #276 on: January 02, 2016, 05:02:26 PM »
That's Davel's forte.

Add me to that list.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #277 on: January 02, 2016, 05:03:06 PM »
Okay.  He was convicted of falsifying evidence.  And you can cut the insults as well.

Documents rather than evidence.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #278 on: January 02, 2016, 05:03:15 PM »
Ah, I see, so Not Guilty isn't actually Innocent.  So what is Innocent?

Not guilty of murder doesn't render her innocent.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2016, 05:13:30 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #279 on: January 02, 2016, 05:04:03 PM »
Add me to that list.

No he is particular about Innocent vs Not Guilty.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #280 on: January 02, 2016, 05:05:10 PM »
Documents rather than evidence.

Documents that Amaral signed.  Dress it up however you like.  He was still Convicted.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #281 on: January 02, 2016, 05:09:55 PM »
Did amaral testify at the torture trial...did he give evidence

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #282 on: January 02, 2016, 05:10:40 PM »
But I thought he thought that the child was already dead.  Didn't you say that she had confessed to murder before she was beaten?
So what stake was there?

According to Leonor yes but as her brother failed to find a body there was every possibility she was still alive somewhere.  The police were right to pressurise them if there was any hope at all of finding the child still alive or do you disagree Eleanor?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #283 on: January 02, 2016, 05:10:55 PM »
She threw herself down the stairs so ended up with bruising to her torso as well as the bruising to her head.

the court felt the PJ officers were lying

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #284 on: January 02, 2016, 05:11:33 PM »
No he is particular about Innocent vs Not Guilty.

So no person who was ever tried and found Not Guilty is ever Innocent.

What a good job that The McCanns have never been tried.  And never will be.

But Leonor Cipriano will be released before much longer and stands to gain a large amount of Compensation because a Portuguese Court ruled that she was beaten by The PJ.