Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Mr Gray]

They did in 2013 and the above doesnt match your previous post

Unless you meant to add ghey "continued to do so".....

they did what in 2013

[mercury]

question:

Have the mccanns ever supported these convicted child killers?

[mercury]

they did what in 2013

Remove case after conviction and further sentencd for ciprianos lies..proven by serendipitys posts in the link i gave ...


this is getting tedious, enjoy your evening with it

[stephen25000]

the case was reported from when the court case started to when the case...and the apppeals were finshed...as they do so in every other case...nothing was removed...no one was dropped..... there was no further news to report

I presume you can back up that statement with facts.

[Carana]

Is support for Leonor Cipriano based on a desire for Justice or it related to the officers involved in the case?

My interest in the Cipriano case is that there is a missing child. There is no probative evidence that she even got home that night, let alone any that can ascertain what happened to her. For the court to state that under the "rules of common experience" children do normally arrive home safely and that therefore it can be taken as fact that she did as well is something I find totally bizarre.

Like many other people, I hadn't heard of the Cipriano case prior to Madleine's disappearance. There was evidently the connection with the officers involved, but also the fact that she had disappeared not far from PdL, albeit a few years earlier.

It was only years later, when I was able to skim through the Supreme Court ruling, that I realised what a shambles the investigation and the trial were.

I don't place the blame entirely on Amaral as it shouldn't have gone to court in the first place, based on such flimsy "evidence". The prosecution service should have followed the investigation more closely and told him to go back to square one, which seemingly didn't happen.

The Ciprianos are simple rural folk caught up not only in the tragedy of Joana's disappearance, but were subject to interrogations in more than dubious conditions and relied on their various lawyers.

The drip feed of leaks prior to the trial led to a public outcry similar to the one over Baby P in the UK, except that in the Cipriano case, there was no substantiating forensic evidence. In fact, there was no probative evidence of anything. The entire trial lasted only a few days with 40+ witnesses to be heard (most of which were neutral to positive, but weren't translated).

The shock-horror factor was the video of João's "reconstruction" presented on the last day. Whether this was actually done out of his own free will (as opposed to under duress) couldn't be verified. Whether it was or it wasn't, the "reconstruction" wasn't corroborated by forensic evidence.

A total mess.

[Mr Gray]

I presume you can back up that statement with facts.

you mean like I proved the express did not apologise

[Mr Gray]

Remove case after conviction and further sentencd for ciprianos lies..proven by serendipitys posts in the link i gave ...


this is getting tedious, enjoy your evening with it

nothing was removed...

[stephen25000]

you mean like I proved the express did not apologise

You didn't prove anything.

THERE IS NOTHING ON Amnesty now bar that one statement.

So are you supporting the brother ?

[Mr Gray]

You didn't prove anything.

THERE IS NOTHING ON Amnesty now bar that one statement.

So are you supporting the brother ?

because the case has been finalised.... If Correia will discuss the case with me I will take it from there

[Mr Gray]

My interest in the Cipriano case is that there is a missing child. There is no probative evidence that she even got home that night, let alone any that can ascertain what happened to her. For the court to state that under the "rules of common experience" children do normally arrive home safely and that therefore it can be taken as fact that she did as well is something I find totally bizarre.

Like many other people, I hadn't heard of the Cipriano case prior to Madleine's disappearance. There was evidently the connection with the officers involved, but also the fact that she had disappeared not far from PdL, albeit a few years earlier.

It was only years later, when I was able to skim through the Supreme Court ruling, that I realised what a shambles the investigation and the trial were.

I don't place the blame entirely on Amaral as it shouldn't have gone to court in the first place, based on such flimsy "evidence". The prosecution service should have followed the investigation more closely and told him to go back to square one, which seemingly didn't happen.

The Ciprianos are simple rural folk caught up not only in the tragedy of Joana's disappearance, but were subject to interrogations in more than dubious conditions and relied on their various lawyers.

The drip feed of leaks prior to the trial led to a public outcry similar to the one over Baby P in the UK, except that in the Cipriano case, there was no substantiating forensic evidence. In fact, there was no probative evidence of anything. The entire trial lasted only a few days with 40+ witnesses to be heard (most of which were neutral to positive, but weren't translated).

The shock-horror factor was the video of João's "reconstruction" presented on the last day. Whether this was actually done out of his own free will (as opposed to under duress) couldn't be verified. Whether it was or it wasn't, the "reconstruction" wasn't corroborated by forensic evidence.

A total mess.

that in reality is a very fair summation of the case by someone who knows quite a lot about it...unlike some on here

[Eleanor]

My interest in the Cipriano case is that there is a missing child. There is no probative evidence that she even got home that night, let alone any that can ascertain what happened to her. For the court to state that under the "rules of common experience" children do normally arrive home safely and that therefore it can be taken as fact that she did as well is something I find totally bizarre.

Like many other people, I hadn't heard of the Cipriano case prior to Madleine's disappearance. There was evidently the connection with the officers involved, but also the fact that she had disappeared not far from PdL, albeit a few years earlier.

It was only years later, when I was able to skim through the Supreme Court ruling, that I realised what a shambles the investigation and the trial were.

I don't place the blame entirely on Amaral as it shouldn't have gone to court in the first place, based on such flimsy "evidence". The prosecution service should have followed the investigation more closely and told him to go back to square one, which seemingly didn't happen.

The Ciprianos are simple rural folk caught up not only in the tragedy of Joana's disappearance, but were subject to interrogations in more than dubious conditions and relied on their various lawyers.

The drip feed of leaks prior to the trial led to a public outcry similar to the one over Baby P in the UK, except that in the Cipriano case, there was no substantiating forensic evidence. In fact, there was no probative evidence of anything. The entire trial lasted only a few days with 40+ witnesses to be heard (most of which were neutral to positive, but weren't translated).

The shock-horror factor was the video of João's "reconstruction" presented on the last day. Whether this was actually done out of his own free will (as opposed to under duress) couldn't be verified. Whether it was or it wasn't, the "reconstruction" wasn't corroborated by forensic evidence.

A total mess.

Thank You.  Very well explained.

[stephen25000]

because the case has been finalised.... If Correia will discuss the case with me I will take it from there

Now he is the so called psychic who said Madeleine's body was in a  lake, if I recall correctly.

The same man paid by Metado3 and who paid them.

Mmmmmmm &%+((£

[stephen25000]

My interest in the Cipriano case is that there is a missing child. There is no probative evidence that she even got home that night, let alone any that can ascertain what happened to her. For the court to state that under the "rules of common experience" children do normally arrive home safely and that therefore it can be taken as fact that she did as well is something I find totally bizarre.

Like many other people, I hadn't heard of the Cipriano case prior to Madleine's disappearance. There was evidently the connection with the officers involved, but also the fact that she had disappeared not far from PdL, albeit a few years earlier.

It was only years later, when I was able to skim through the Supreme Court ruling, that I realised what a shambles the investigation and the trial were.

I don't place the blame entirely on Amaral as it shouldn't have gone to court in the first place, based on such flimsy "evidence". The prosecution service should have followed the investigation more closely and told him to go back to square one, which seemingly didn't happen.

The Ciprianos are simple rural folk caught up not only in the tragedy of Joana's disappearance, but were subject to interrogations in more than dubious conditions and relied on their various lawyers.

The drip feed of leaks prior to the trial led to a public outcry similar to the one over Baby P in the UK, except that in the Cipriano case, there was no substantiating forensic evidence. In fact, there was no probative evidence of anything. The entire trial lasted only a few days with 40+ witnesses to be heard (most of which were neutral to positive, but weren't translated).

The shock-horror factor was the video of João's "reconstruction" presented on the last day. Whether this was actually done out of his own free will (as opposed to under duress) couldn't be verified. Whether it was or it wasn't, the "reconstruction" wasn't corroborated by forensic evidence.

A total mess.

That is a matter of opinion.

[Mr Gray]

Now he is the so called psychic who said Madeleine's body was in a  lake, if I recall correctly.

The same man paid by Metado3 and who paid them.

Mmmmmmm &%+((£

amaral tried to sue him...and amaral lost miserably in that case as well

[stephen25000]

amaral tried to sue him...and amaral lost miserably in that case as well

and ?

Correia is in tbe same league as Acorah.

Enough said.