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Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #555 on: January 12, 2016, 12:11:22 AM »
You asked for cites.

I have provided them.

Please do not complain when you get what you have asked for, it is terribly bad mannered.

Your cites dont prove she was beaten by police.....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #556 on: January 12, 2016, 12:16:53 AM »
If as we are led to believe a confession, under Portuguese law, is only valid when made in court the PJ really were incompetent knocking seven bells out of Leonor Cipriano for what would have been a worthless piece of paper.
She was found guilty of murder by a panel of three judges and three members of the public; not as the result of being beaten abhorrent though it is.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #557 on: January 12, 2016, 12:20:05 AM »
If as we are led to believe a confession, under Portuguese law, is only valid when made in court the PJ really were incompetent knocking seven bells out of Leonor Cipriano for what would have been a worthless piece of paper.
She was found guilty of murder by a panel of three judges and three members of the public; not as the result of being beaten abhorrent though it is.

It was proved in court that Leonor Cipriano was a torture victim and Goncalo Amaral was convicted of a cover up.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #558 on: January 12, 2016, 12:27:45 AM »
If Leonor didn't exhibit any sign of injury whilst in custody, why did the PJ file a report saying she had thrown herself down the stairs in the presence of officers?

Who said she exhibited no signsnof injury...my query is about who actually beat her..can you debunk the story of her Inmates doing it and the prison governor covering it up?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #559 on: January 12, 2016, 12:31:05 AM »
It was proved in court that Leonor Cipriano was a torture victim and Goncalo Amaral was convicted of a cover up.

Cover up something when he wasn't there. Interesting. Good old Amaral tortured her from afar  @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #560 on: January 12, 2016, 12:32:05 AM »
It was proved in court that Leonor Cipriano was a torture victim and Goncalo Amaral was convicted of a cover up.

And cipriano was convicted of murder...interesting you accept the portuguese courts in one case and not the other...

Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #561 on: January 12, 2016, 12:34:38 AM »
Cover up something when he wasn't there. Interesting. Good old Amaral tortured her from afar  @)(++(*

Leonor the liar actually named him as one of the torturers, aided and abetted by the so called lawyer marcos,  aka madeleine was raped and klled and chucked in the damn that my spirit guides/visions/dreams told me  that i will dive into....her lies know no bounds...and yes he wasnt even there (amaral that is)
« Last Edit: January 12, 2016, 12:37:45 AM by mercury »

Offline Brietta

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #562 on: January 12, 2016, 12:36:04 AM »
Cover up something when he wasn't there. Interesting. Good old Amaral tortured her from afar  @)(++(*

Perhaps the title of the thread could have the addendum ...

Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters? and why is there so much denial of the torture of Leonor Cipriano from Amaral supporters?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Online misty

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #563 on: January 12, 2016, 12:39:45 AM »
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/02portugal-report.htm
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When Leonor was invited to identify her aggressors by an investigating magistrate in Évora in 2006, she was only able to identify one official who was present and did nothing to prevent the abuses, possibly because she had had a bag over her head for long periods, or due to the time that had passed, or because not all her torturers were among the six officers placed before her.
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http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inquisitorial+System
In the inquisitorial system, the presiding judge is not a passive recipient of information. Rather, the presiding judge is primarily responsible for supervising the gathering of the evidence necessary to resolve the case. He or she actively steers the search for evidence and questions the witnesses, including the respondent or defendant. Attorneys play a more passive role, suggesting routes of inquiry for the presiding judge and following the judge's questioning with questioning of their own. Attorney questioning is often brief because the judge tries to ask all relevant questions.

The goal of both the adversarial system and the inquisitorial system is to find the truth. But the adversarial system seeks the truth by pitting the parties against each other in the hope that competition will reveal it, whereas the inquisitorial system seeks the truth by questioning those most familiar with the events in dispute. *The adversarial system places a premium on the individual rights of the accused, whereas the inquisitorial system places the rights of the accused secondary to the search for truth.*
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Leonor couldn't provide her truth therefore she was considered a liar. Except, of course, when it came to her confession, which was deemed to be her only true account of the matter.





Offline Brietta

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #564 on: January 12, 2016, 12:40:47 AM »
And cipriano was convicted of murder...interesting you accept the portuguese courts in one case and not the other...

The fact is that Leonor Cipriano was convicted of murder.

The fact is that Goncalo Amaral was convicted of covering up her torture while in police custody on his watch.

Don't make presumptions on my behalf.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #565 on: January 12, 2016, 12:44:32 AM »
The fact is that Leonor Cipriano was convicted of murder.

The fact is that Goncalo Amaral was convicted of covering up her torture while in police custody on his watch.

Don't make presumptions on my behalf.

You still dont get it do you? never mind i will leave you to ponder

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #566 on: January 12, 2016, 12:45:04 AM »
The fact is that Leonor Cipriano was convicted of murder.

The fact is that Goncalo Amaral was convicted of covering up her torture while in police custody on his watch.

Don't make presumptions on my behalf.

You really are desperate aren't you using murderers word as the truth. I feel some would give her a crack after the evil bitch confessed to what she did but it couldn't have been Amaral because he was there  @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #567 on: January 12, 2016, 12:48:45 AM »
http://www.statewatch.org/news/2008/may/02portugal-report.htm
*snipped*
When Leonor was invited to identify her aggressors by an investigating magistrate in Évora in 2006, she was only able to identify one official who was present and did nothing to prevent the abuses, possibly because she had had a bag over her head for long periods, or due to the time that had passed, or because not all her torturers were among the six officers placed before her.
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http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Inquisitorial+System
In the inquisitorial system, the presiding judge is not a passive recipient of information. Rather, the presiding judge is primarily responsible for supervising the gathering of the evidence necessary to resolve the case. He or she actively steers the search for evidence and questions the witnesses, including the respondent or defendant. Attorneys play a more passive role, suggesting routes of inquiry for the presiding judge and following the judge's questioning with questioning of their own. Attorney questioning is often brief because the judge tries to ask all relevant questions.

The goal of both the adversarial system and the inquisitorial system is to find the truth. But the adversarial system seeks the truth by pitting the parties against each other in the hope that competition will reveal it, whereas the inquisitorial system seeks the truth by questioning those most familiar with the events in dispute. *The adversarial system places a premium on the individual rights of the accused, whereas the inquisitorial system places the rights of the accused secondary to the search for truth.*
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Leonor couldn't provide her truth therefore she was considered a liar. Except, of course, when it came to her confession, which was deemed to be her only true account of the matter.

She blamed her brother and her brother blamed her and they both lied umpteen tmes, give us a break

And lets not forget all ths crapola is to def connect the mccann case..well it wont work
« Last Edit: January 12, 2016, 12:56:35 AM by mercury »

Offline Brietta

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #568 on: January 12, 2016, 12:53:51 AM »
You really are desperate aren't you using murderers word as the truth. I feel some would give her a crack after the evil bitch confessed to what she did but it couldn't have been Amaral because he was there  @)(++(*

Are you advocating violence against women and condoning torture into the bargain?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Online misty

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #569 on: January 12, 2016, 01:08:19 AM »
She blamed her brother and her brother blamed her and they both lied umpteen tmes, give us a break

And lets not forget all ths crapola is to def,ext frim the mccann case..well it wont work

It's already too late for Joao & Leonor as they have served their sentences, irrespective of their innocence or guilt.
However, it could easily have been the McCanns, had they not had such high level support.