Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Angelo222]

If the subject-matter weren't so serious, that response would reduce me to fits of laughter.

Let's just say the question is fair ....

And I suspect much of the background in the post Carana responds to comes from a disgraced ex-Portuguese cop (for once, not Amaral) ...

No, its comes from the people who knew Joana despite your insinuations.

ETA. And for those who claim otherwise I suggest they do their own research.

[Brietta]

i'm not claiming otherwise...if this is true then it would be very important...but is it true....and as you cannot provide a cite....it brings the truth of these statements into question

There is a parallel with the untruths put around about the Drs McCann, some of which are still believed.

[Carana]

Absolutely Carana, the neighbours, social services, the teachers and Leandro didn't lie!!

I'd agree that Leonor appears to have had a complicated life before she settled down with Leandro (at least according to some family members of her previous partners, and that various children were brought up by them). So far, ok.

But where on earth did you get that she was "passed from pillar to post like a stray puppy"? Or the "she lived in a tent for a while in a strangers garden"?

[ferryman]

I'd agree that Leonor appears to have had a complicated life before she settled down with Leandro (at least according to some family members of her previous partners, and that various children were brought up by them. So far, ok.

But where on earth did you get that she was "passed from pillar to post like a stray puppy"? Or the "she lived in a tent for a while in a strangers garden"?

Probably from the same place that it was put about that receipts from shopping Joana was said to have done when she went missing were found in the home, dated the same day (of her disappearance)

The Star of Joana.

Written by Chrisiovo (sp),

Currently up to his neck in bribery and corruption charges ....

[Angelo222]

I'd agree that Leonor appears to have had a complicated life before she settled down with Leandro (at least according to some family members of her previous partners, and that various children were brought up by them). So far, ok.

But where on earth did you get that she was "passed from pillar to post like a stray puppy"? Or the "she lived in a tent for a while in a strangers garden"?

She was passed around like pass the parcel while her mother was off sleeping with other men.  Neighbours had to rear the girl at times as Leonor disappeared on her drunken binges for weeks on end. Joana's father is on record saying he was shocked at what the little girl had gone through, Leonor moved so much he had lost touch with them but had he known he would have taken the girl.

 Leonor was a crap mother, end off!!

[Jean-Pierre]

She was passed around like pass the parcel while her mother was off sleeping with other men.  Neighbours had to rear the girl at times as Leonor disappeared on her drunken binges for weeks on end. Joana's father is on record saying he was shocked at what the little girl had gone through, Leonor moved so much he had lost touch with them but had he known he would have taken the girl.

 Leonor was a crap mother, end off!!

Angelo - you have made some specific points.  Providing a cite should be a straightforward matter.  I cannot see any reason for your apparent reluctance to provide one.

[Admin]

There are several threads dedicated to Joana Cipriano already on this forum so if anyone want a cites I suggest they search for them.  This board is not the place for detailed discussion on the merits or otherwise of Leonor Cipriano's childrearing skills.

For the benefit of those who appear unable to use the search facility can I refer them to this post.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6122.msg225607#msg225607

Admin

[Carana]

She was passed around like pass the parcel while her mother was off sleeping with other men.  Neighbours had to rear the girl at times, do keep up.  Leonor was a crap mother, end off!!

Let's have a reality check on that one.

I have moved my reply to:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6122.msg299766#msg299766

[Admin]

Please provide links to newspaper quotes Carana.

[Carana]

Please provide links to newspaper quotes Carana.

I moved my reply.

Do you prefer CdM cites or the Supreme Court witness testimonies, which is what I was basing my reply on?

[Admin]

I moved my reply.

Do you prefer CdM cites or the Supreme Court witness testimonies, which is what I was basing my reply on?

Thank you Carana, either or both are always helpful.

[Alice Purjorick]

Leonor Cipriano may have been Ai We De and Mother Theresa all rolled into one but she was still found guilty of murder and sentenced to prison. Furthermore no one has really banged the drum effectually since she was sentenced with respect to there having been a gross miscarriage of justice.

[Angelo222]

Leonor Cipriano may have been Ai We De and Mother Theresa all rolled into one but she was still found guilty of murder and sentenced to prison. Furthermore no one has really banged the drum effectually since she was sentenced with respect to there having been a gross miscarriage of justice.

Last I heard she had been ostracised by her immediate family because of her involvement so it willl be interesting to see where she ends up after she is paroled.

ps  Did Davel ever get a reply to his e-mail to Marcos Correia?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6930.msg297551#msg297551

[Brietta]

Thank you Carana, either or both are always helpful.

I am at a bit of a loss on why we must post only on a Cipriano thread which is difficult to find.  Two posts have been posted there today but there is no indication of that in the current discussion threads.

I think if it is acceptable to start off a new thread such as this comparing Cipriano and McCann ... it is unfair to disallow discussion and debate using the little evidence available to us regarding Cipriano.

We have numerous threads on the dogs which are now becoming a little 'threadbare' ... but some items have been informative and instructive despite there being much sameness and the inevitable repetition.

The same has happened (dissemination of information) on this thread with Carana's excellent research turning up things I had never seen before for example ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6930.msg299586#msg299586

I think it is informative posts such as this which are the mainstay of the forum.

[Angelo222]

I am at a bit of a loss on why we must post only on a Cipriano thread which is difficult to find.  Two posts have been posted there today but there is no indication of that in the current discussion threads.

I think if it is acceptable to start off a new thread such as this comparing Cipriano and McCann ... it is unfair to disallow discussion and debate using the little evidence available to us regarding Cipriano.

We have numerous threads on the dogs which are now becoming a little 'threadbare' ... but some items have been informative and instructive despite there being much sameness and the inevitable repetition.

The same has happened (dissemination of information) on this thread with Carana's excellent research turning up things I had never seen before for example ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6930.msg299586#msg299586

I think it is informative posts such as this which are the mainstay of the forum.

The post you refer to has little bearing on the question asked in this thread.  If anyone really wants to discuss the Cipriano case in detail then there is a board in which to do so.  Recent limited interest in the case however leads me to the conclusion that it is only becomes of interest to McCann supporters when it suits their agenda.